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    Re: House passes Violence Against Women Act after GOP version defeated.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Post #8.

    You also claimed that all sexual harrasment classes portray men as rapists. I'm still waiting for you to post something to support this lie of yours
    Read post 8 again, and please quote the line you are refering to. I never said the law did not protect men. I was making the point that the title of the law did nothing to raise awareness of the violence men suffer every day.
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    Re: House passes Violence Against Women Act after GOP version defeated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    .....My question is, why do we need a law that criminalizes violence against females? What offenses does this legislation put forward that are not already addressed by current laws? Murder, Assault, Rape, Harassment and many other violations of ones rights are already addressed by current law.

    To add to this, why is there a focus on violence against women? Men die 7 years earlier than women. Men make up over 90% of the workplace deaths.
    Although men are more likely to be victims of violence, women are more likely to be victims of domestic violence. That is because domestic violence by men against women and children has been de facto almost legal in the past. That has been because of sexist attitudes that are just now heading towards obsolescence.

    The issues of violence against men should be addressed also.

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    Re: House passes Violence Against Women Act after GOP version defeated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Read post 8 again, and please quote the line you are refering to. I never said the law did not protect men. I was making the point that the title of the law did nothing to raise awareness of the violence men suffer every day.
    Why do you continue to post lies.

    You most certainly did say the law (not the title) did nothing to raise awareness about the violence men face

    How does it protect men equally when there is no raising of public awareness that men suffer, in large, even more from violence.
    Even worse, you said that *after* I posted a quote from VAWA from a provision that shows that VAWA *does* promote effort to raise public awareness of an area where men are victims of violence (prison rape)

    Again, from VAWA, from S.47-13
    ‘‘(17) developing, enlarging, or strengthening programs

    addressing sexual assault against men, women, and youth in

    correctional and detention settings;
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    Re: House passes Violence Against Women Act after GOP version defeated.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Why do you continue to post lies.

    You most certainly did say the law (not the title) did nothing to raise awareness about the violence men face
    Kind of how like mortgage lenders raised awarness to home owners that variable percentage loans (usually written in fine print) would continually raise their mortgage payments to the point where they could not afford them anymore. Or credit card companies that raised awarness to consumers that after 3 months, their low interest credit card would become a high interest credit card (in fine print). Again, this does nothing to raise awareness of the violence men face. It does not address issues that effect men in large. Only includes them in issues that mainly effect women.

    Saying that it does not bring to light issues that effect men is not the same as saying it does not protect men in the issues it does present.
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    Re: House passes Violence Against Women Act after GOP version defeated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Kind of how like mortgage lenders raised awarness to home owners that variable percentage loans (usually written in fine print) would continually raise their mortgage payments to the point where they could not afford them anymore. Or credit card companies that raised awarness to consumers that after 3 months, their low interest credit card would become a high interest credit card (in fine print). Again, this does nothing to raise awareness of the violence men face. It does not address issues that effect men in large. Only includes them in issues that mainly effect women.

    Saying that it does not bring to light issues that effect men is not the same as saying it does not protect men in the issues it does present.
    IOW, it's clear that you think any law that doesn't address an issue that mainly affects men is unfair

    Thanks for making your misogyny obvious.
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    Re: House passes Violence Against Women Act after GOP version defeated.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    IOW, it's clear that you think any law that doesn't address an issue that mainly affects men is unfair

    Thanks for making your misogyny obvious.
    Where did I say this? You tried saying that this protects both sexes, but it does not. It protects women and includes men in issues effecting women. Which by in large, does little to protect men from the issues that effect men.
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    Re: House passes Violence Against Women Act after GOP version defeated.

    Violence against men has a wide range of causes and happens in a wide variety of situations-there are muggings, bar fights, drug related killings and gang related killings. Its hard to imagine a single campaign or streategy that could address all of those different situations.

    Violence against women is overwhelmingly committed by romantic partners, families and acquaintances. It is largely driven by sexist attitudes and cultural norms. Raising awareness of the problem and addressing the underlying attitudes has already been proven to be effective.
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    Re: House passes Violence Against Women Act after GOP version defeated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Violence against men has a wide range of causes and happens in a wide variety of situations-there are muggings, bar fights, muggings, drug related killings and gang related killings. Its hard to imagine a single campaign or streategy that could address all of those different situations.

    Violence against women is overwhelmingly committed by romantic partners, families and acquaintances. It is largely driven by sexist attitudes and cultural norms. Raising awareness of the problem and addressing the underlying attitudes has already been proven to be effective.
    Yes, and there are already sufficient laws out there that protect, and in some cases overprotect women from these issues. I have read thru bits and pieces of the legislation passed (it is 107 pages of grueling small print) and it does not seem to address anything really. Because much of it is already addressed by current laws.
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    Re: House passes Violence Against Women Act after GOP version defeated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Where did I say this? You tried saying that this protects both sexes, but it does not. It protects women and includes men in issues effecting women. Which by in large, does little to protect men from the issues that effect men.
    I'll repost your quote where you criticize VAWA because:
    It does not address issues that effect men in large. Only includes them in issues that mainly effect women.
    You obviously have a problem when the govt does anything regarding women on issues that affect them more often than that issue affects men. That's why you whine about breast cancer reduction efforts, but are silent when it comes to the prevention of heart disease.

    And to think some people think that there is no War on Women
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    Re: House passes Violence Against Women Act after GOP version defeated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Violence against men has a wide range of causes and happens in a wide variety of situations-there are muggings, bar fights, muggings, drug related killings and gang related killings. Its hard to imagine a single campaign or streategy that could address all of those different situations.
    And according to capster, it's OK for the govt to address problems that affect men more often than it affects women. It's only wrong when the govt addresses problems that affect women more often than men
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