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    Re: Civil rights leaders outraged over Scalia’s ‘racial entitlement’ argument

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That's BS. It happened a lot, but just like Holocaust deniers, there are some who are attempting to whitewash the murders that frequently happened in the South. And, as for that BS about it not happening any more, tell that to the family of James Byrd, who was lynched and dragged to his death behind a pickup truck, just a few short years ago. Now, it is true that such incidents are rare today, but Mississippi and other Southern states don't deserve the credit for that. Credit the Federal government that sent troops in to restore order, and who passed Title V. Without the Federal government intervening, lynchings would still be common in the South.

    Yes, Virginia, Mississippi Burning was real. Rosewood was real. And lynchings were very real. Here is a little something for the edification and education of the deniers:


    Those are the deaths that we know about. Many black people used to disappear in those days.

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    Re: Civil rights leaders outraged over Scalia’s ‘racial entitlement’ argument

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Looks like Scalia really stepped in it this time, but let's step back and examine what he said without a lot of emotion. Traditionally, Supreme Court justices have sometimes asked outrageous questions in the course of their questioning. Sometimes they play Devil's advocates. And, in order to decide cases, questions like these must sometimes be asked, in order to cover all aspects of a case, even if some of those aspects are ridiculous on their faces.

    So what do you think Scalia had in mind when he asked those questions? I believe he was addressing a very political aspect of Title V, that many people actually believe, and it could be that he is putting the issue to rest, rather than intending to create an incinidary situation.

    What do YOU think?

    Article is here.
    Actually, I agree with him on this. Although the court should not legislate, it should determine accurately that a law is or is not constitutional. What majority it passed in Congress has absolutely no bearing on constitutionality. Any law that does not apply equally to all Americans should be considered and is Unconstitutional. Whether it is voting rights, affirmative action or any other thing.

    Yes, there has been a cultural of "racial" entitlement. Any law that is not applicable to all and gives greater protections or rights to any group based upon race, is racist. Any applicable based upon sex, is sexist. etc. There should be absolutely no law which gives special protections or rights to any groups based upon race, sex, etc. This includes "hate" crime laws.
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    Re: Civil rights leaders outraged over Scalia’s ‘racial entitlement’ argument

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    It happened in the last election and itis still happening, although much of it is done indirectly or in a stealth mode.

    The purpose of it is to make it harder for democrats to vote.
    Especially the dead ones.

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    Re: Civil rights leaders outraged over Scalia’s ‘racial entitlement’ argument

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Actually, I agree with him on this. Although the court should not legislate, it should determine accurately that a law is or is not constitutional. What majority it passed in Congress has absolutely no bearing on constitutionality. Any law that does not apply equally to all Americans should be considered and is Unconstitutional. Whether it is voting rights, affirmative action or any other thing.

    Yes, there has been a cultural of "racial" entitlement. Any law that is not applicable to all and gives greater protections or rights to any group based upon race, is racist. Any applicable based upon sex, is sexist. etc. There should be absolutely no law which gives special protections or rights to any groups based upon race, sex, etc. This includes "hate" crime laws.
    I agree that there has been a culture of entitlement. This culture of entitlement consists mainly of white people who feel entitled to depress the non-white vote in America, and dilute representation in Congress of those who are not white. A case in point is right here in Texas, where Perry and his cronies attempted to take away Vietnamese American representation in Congress by carving up a district that is mainly Vietnamese, and stuffing the pieces into 3 overwhelmingly white districts, where Congressman Vo would not stand a chance in hell of being elected, and the Vietnamese Americans in Houston would no longer have a say in government. Yes, some white people felt very entitled to do that, but the Voting Rights Act said no to white entitlement, in this case.
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    Re: Civil rights leaders outraged over Scalia’s ‘racial entitlement’ argument

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I agree that there has been a culture of entitlement. This culture of entitlement consists mainly of white people who feel entitled to depress the non-white vote in America, and dilute representation in Congress of those who are not white. A case in point is right here in Texas, where Perry and his cronies attempted to take away Vietnamese American representation in Congress by carving up a district that is mainly Vietnamese, and stuffing the pieces into 3 overwhelmingly white districts, where Congressman Vo would not stand a chance in hell of being elected, and the Vietnamese Americans in Houston would no longer have a say in government. Yes, some white people felt very entitled to do that, but the Voting Rights Act said no to white entitlement, in this case.
    I don't see it that way, but you are entitled to your opinion. The redistricting plan was based, imo, on reducing or not allowing a growth in the number of guaranteed liberal districts. Trying to make sure there is "representatives" of a particular race is just wrong to me. One person, one vote. Rigging districts just to make sure race or a particular political philosophy is going to win is wrong. BTW, is this rep from Houston Vietnamese or American, he can't be both. And how do you know he wouldn't win which ever new district he ends up in, just because a larger number of voters are white. Apparently you presume bias and racism because someone is white, that is racism also.
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    Re: Civil rights leaders outraged over Scalia’s ‘racial entitlement’ argument

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I don't see it that way, but you are entitled to your opinion. The redistricting plan was based, imo, on reducing or not allowing a growth in the number of guaranteed liberal districts. Trying to make sure there is "representatives" of a particular race is just wrong to me. One person, one vote. Rigging districts just to make sure race or a particular political philosophy is going to win is wrong. BTW, is this rep from Houston Vietnamese or American, he can't be both. And how do you know he wouldn't win which ever new district he ends up in, just because a larger number of voters are white. Apparently you presume bias and racism because someone is white, that is racism also.
    It is not racist to remember history, and black bodies hanging from trees in the South. Seems you are attempting to turn these crimes around and make them acceptable by arguing that those who did not like the lynchings are the real racists. LOL.
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    Re: Civil rights leaders outraged over Scalia’s ‘racial entitlement’ argument

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Especially the dead ones.
    You mean before or after they are lynched?

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    Re: Civil rights leaders outraged over Scalia’s ‘racial entitlement’ argument

    What's a the avoidance we're seeing here for the practical solution that is keeping the VRA and making it applicable to all? Is this some sort of social NIMBY bull****?

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    Re: Civil rights leaders outraged over Scalia’s ‘racial entitlement’ argument

    Rich "civil rights leaders" are in the profession of being outraged to try to gain self attention.

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    Re: Civil rights leaders outraged over Scalia’s ‘racial entitlement’ argument

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It is not racist to remember history, and black bodies hanging from trees in the South. Seems you are attempting to turn these crimes around and make them acceptable by arguing that those who did not like the lynchings are the real racists. LOL.
    It seems you favor guilt by association, thus a never ending control of many southern state's voting distrct bondaries and ID laws by "other" wiser folks from different states. Gerrymandering for "good" is somehow seen as justice, or some sort of payback (reparations?) for acts of long dead folks. One must not prove any discrimination to get the district boundaries changed, simply suggest that another version would be "better" in their "enlightened" view in order to achieve "greater minority representation". Thus we have defined "good" racial/ethnic discrimination that is now legally required only in "known bad" states/districts making it all somehow more "fair". Of course these "fair" districts take into account only the content of one's character and not the color of one's skin just as MLK had in his dream.
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