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    Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    A federal appeals court upheld a lower court's injunction on Tuesday against Florida's effort to make welfare applicants pee in cups to prove they're not on drugs.

    In a strongly-worded opinion, U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit affirmed a lower court's October 2011 finding that Florida failed to demonstrate a special need for drug testing poverty-stricken parents who apply for cash benefits from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program.

    "The evidence in this record does not suggest that the population of TANF recipients engages in illegal drug use or that they misappropriate government funds for drugs at the expense of their own and their children's basic subsistence," the three-judge panel wrote. "The State has presented no evidence that simply because an applicant for TANF benefits is having financial problems, he is also drug addicted or prone to fraudulent and neglectful behavior."
    And I agree with this decision. There is no evidence to suggest that, because somebody is poor, he or she is automatically a drug addict, anymore than, if someone were a banker, he or she is automatically a crook. But, seriously, the law was based on stereotyping, and I believe that SCOTUS will uphold the ruling.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    100% agree...this was stereotyping in its finest.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Until I see an article that says "random" and "follicle test", I will be skeptical.

    You schedule me for a piss test at least 48 hours ahead of time, and I can beat it with OTC crap. Stoners might be stupid, but they can still buck the system if you give them a freebie.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Until I see an article that says "random" and "follicle test", I will be skeptical.

    You schedule me for a piss test at least 48 hours ahead of time, and I can beat it with OTC crap. Stoners might be stupid, but they can still buck the system if you give them a freebie.
    Not in Texas, they can't. When I was on probation for my DWI, I saw lots of dumbasses get their probation revoked and sent to jail becuase they tried to beat the system. Yes, there are lots of things out there you can use to try to beat a piss test, but they don't work. The best ones make you piss clear, and that will automatically get you in trouble, because the authorities know that, if there is NOTHING in your piss, not even the normal stuff, then you have used one of those products.
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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    I disagree, the company I work with, has random drug tests, You take them, IF you wish to remain working there, I have No problem with this,
    However If I were doing drugs I would,
    If someone is drawing welfare, How hard is it to piss in a cup to prove you are drug free and get your check, Most every reputable company I know has this drug test before they even employ you anymore, why Not welfare recipients, IF they have nothing to hide, I'm jus sayin

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Not in Texas, they can't. When I was on probation for my DWI, I saw lots of dumbasses get their probation revoked and sent to jail becuase they tried to beat the system. Yes, there are lots of things out there you can use to try to beat a piss test, but they don't work. The best ones make you piss clear, and that will automatically get you in trouble, because the authorities know that, if there is NOTHING in your piss, not even the normal stuff, then you have used one of those products.
    Pretty big assumption. My piss comes out clear quite often because I ALWAYS walk around with a bottled water with me. I bet I drink a gallon of water a day.

    If I put down 2 glasses, poured stale Sprite into one and peed into the other, I'd bet you money that you couldn't tell the difference.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    I'm not sure I see a problem with this law.

    I have the possibility of a whiz quiz in my job,

    and had to pass one before hire.

    If the people are supporting you then logic says the money needs to be used for sustinance.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And I agree with this decision. There is no evidence to suggest that, because somebody is poor, he or she is automatically a drug addict, anymore than, if someone were a banker, he or she is automatically a crook. But, seriously, the law was based on stereotyping, and I believe that SCOTUS will uphold the ruling.

    Article is here.
    Curious as to why drug (ab)use is an approved no-no for gun ownership, and for parole/probation (even for non-drug related crimes) yet just peachy for getting welfare cash. While drug/alcohol addiction/abuse is not a major cause of poverty it certainly hinders one's chances of getting out of it. Attempts to bar any restrictions to getting "automatic" public assistance are not wise public policy. I would insist upon a HS education, the presentation of a personal improvement plan and requiring strict adherence to that plan. I have no real objection to an ocassional helping hand, but would prefer it to be via privately funded charity, but see no reason for all carrot and no stick. We have had a "war on poverty" since the 1960s, and have spent trillions fighting it, yet are stuck with 15% of the US population still so classified. To assert that the current wefare (in all of its many forms) programs are working simply defies common sense.
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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    the republicans in my state are trying to do this, too.

    however, they don't want to spend the money to randomly test everyone, so they have devised a system where a questionnaire will determine likelihood of drug abuse, and then only those people will be in the random testing pool. i hope a court tosses it if it passes.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Curious as to why drug (ab)use is an approved no-no for gun ownership, and for parole/probation (even for non-drug related crimes) yet just peachy for getting welfare cash. While drug/alcohol addiction/abuse is not a major cause of poverty it certainly hinders one's chances of getting out of it. Attempts to bar any restrictions to getting "automatic" public assistance are not wise public policy. I would insist upon a HS education, the presentation of a personal improvement plan and requiring strict adherence to that plan. I have no real objection to an ocassional helping hand, but would prefer it to be via privately funded charity, but see no reason for all carrot and no stick. We have had a "war on poverty" since the 1960s, and have spent trillions fighting it, yet are stuck with 15% of the US population still so classified. To assert that the current wefare (in all of its many forms) programs are working simply defies common sense.
    The problem with a "war on poverty" is the same as the war on drugs - it's unbeatable. There will always be a poverty line, and there will be people underneath it. I think of the poverty line as a tide. If you put in more water, the tide still rises. Your "real" wages will still not be as affected, and that is what will be the definitive factor in a label such as that.

    Our problem is that we've become so bleeding-heart that we don't accept that with success, failure must come. It's like every parent out there, thinking that their kid is above average when, statistically speaking, about half of them are wrong.

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