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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I'm not sure why minority groups are singled out. Poverty rates for minority groups pretty much mirror trends by whites. At a higher level but that's an intergenerational poverty problem.
    I already answered this question for Joko. I know that there are plenty of whites on welfare. I simply happen to have personal experience with the "baby momma" culture, so I tend to make reference to it often.

    However, even going by the statistics, it is worth pointing out that the African American welfare rate is more than two and a half times the white welfare rate, simply due to the fact that they make up a sigificantly smaller portion of the population than whites, yet still account for almost 40% of total welfare expenditures.

    There is also the following to account for:

    72% of Black Children Are Raised in Single Parent Homes

    Considering that single mothers are the greatest force driving welfare expenditures in today's economy, I would think that these numbers more than speak for themselves.

    I also don't agree with your idea that spending to alleviate poverty is the problem.
    I never said that it was "the" problem. Military expenditures, medicare, and medicaid play major roles as well. However, the simple fact of the matter is that we're never going to make any progress so long as the Left not only remains reflexively opposed to any kind of domestic spending reform, but actually insists on adding more new and equally useless programs (i.e. Obamacare) to our (nonexistent) budget each year.

    Cuts are supposed to hurt. It's time to man up and deal with what we've had coming for the better part of half a century.

    To me it's a problem but not the problem. The problem in my view is that higher wage jobs have been replaced by lower wage jobs.
    Higher wage jobs are unsustainable from an economic standpoint. You don't pay double what a job is actually worth on general principle alone.

    There is absolutely no reason why lower income earners cannot get by, and even thrive, on market determined wages.

    I'm not sure how pulling the rug under individuals will do anything beyond make poverty a more painful experience.
    Poverty should be a painful experience, and that's the whole point. What possible incentive do you have to work your way up if everything's being artificially kept just fine and dandy at the bottom?

    Government dependents are living in "lala land" and the whole thing's getting ready to come crashing down around their heads. They had best start learning to fend for themselves sooner rather than later.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 03-01-13 at 03:44 PM.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I'm all for legalization of prime rib and lobster too. I don't want my tax money going there either.

    Nice strawman. Try again, perhaps?

    Prime rib and lobster are already legal but nice try to hide the hypocrisy!
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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    But bankers aren't on welfare.
    Bankers have not received public funding?
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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Prime rib and lobster are already legal but nice try to hide the hypocrisy!
    Not what he meant and you know it.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Not what he meant and you know it.
    If that's not what he meant to say, he can certainly correct himself. He's a big boy!
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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    The drug testing program costs more than it saves, which to me makes the entire thing a non-starter. Why even talk about it? It doesn't work.
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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    you're probably 100 percent correct. But money that is force-ably being taken from taxpayers to give to others with no work or anything else required, peeing in a cup seems very reasonable to obtain free money.
    People who have jobs are also periodically asked to take drug tests. What is the problem with having the same requirement for those receiving money from those same taxpayers? Sheesh! And I don't care what color they are, so don't try to make it a racist thing...that's a handy catch phrase used too often these days! If it applies to anyone receiving benefits, it's fair!

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Have you personally ever done this to pass a drug test?
    I have used various methods to pass drug tests. The most effective is using clean urine. If they use a blood test, it then becomes very tricky.
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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If that's not what he meant to say, he can certainly correct himself. He's a big boy!
    You're hopeless. I was hoping that my chance to make a smartass comment wouldn't fly over your head. That's fine. Be in the dark.

    Damn hyper-libs. They are immune to any sort of sense.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    People who have jobs are also periodically asked to take drug tests. What is the problem with having the same requirement for those receiving money from those same taxpayers? Sheesh! And I don't care what color they are, so don't try to make it a racist thing...that's a handy catch phrase used too often these days! If it applies to anyone receiving benefits, it's fair!
    The U.S. is one of the only industrialized countries that uses prior drug screening for employment. Sad really.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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