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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Seems like a useless action since some drugs clear your system very quickly and some don't. Hair tests are another story but rather expensive.

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    I don't object to the testing. Just seems like a waste of money and if you catch someone and "fire" them from welfare, what about the rest of the family? More harm than good?

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    The problem with a "war on poverty" is the same as the war on drugs - it's unbeatable. There will always be a poverty line, and there will be people underneath it. I think of the poverty line as a tide. If you put in more water, the tide still rises. Your "real" wages will still not be as affected, and that is what will be the definitive factor in a label such as that.

    Our problem is that we've become so bleeding-heart that we don't accept that with success, failure must come. It's like every parent out there, thinking that their kid is above average when, statistically speaking, about half of them are wrong.
    Poverty is a cycle that may be broken. I will agree that no program is going to be 100% effective, but what we have now is VERY expensive and not effective - it simply rewards failure and accepts it as unavoidable. Any attempt to "rock the boat" is met with instant resistance as being "cruel and unusual" - it will "hurt innocent childen" or "discriminate". We, as a nation, cannot advance with 15% too young to work, 15% to stupid/lazy to work and 30% too old to work. The young and the old we must abide, but the stupid/lazy are not deserving of our unending support. Welfare, in all of its many forms, should be capped at 80% of the full-time minimum wage income of ONE worker. There is no reason to give a teen mommy more public assistance than a senior citizen that has worked their entire life.
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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Poverty is a cycle that may be broken. I will agree that no program is going to be 100% effective, but what we have now is VERY expensive and not effective - it simply rewards failure and accepts it as unavoidable. Any attempt to "rock the boat" is met with instant resistance as being "cruel and unusual" - it will "hurt innocent childen" or "discriminate". We, as a nation, cannot advance with 15% too young to work, 15% to stupid/lazy to work and 30% too old to work. The young and the old we must abide, but the stupid/lazy are not deserving of our unending support. Welfare, in all of its many forms, should be capped at 80% of the full-time minimum wage income of ONE worker. There is no reason to give a teen mommy more public assistance than a senior citizen that has worked their entire life.
    Preachin' to the choir, bro. The real problem goes into effect when you get these women who have children. It's almost like an emotional "anchor" baby - if you let her fraudulent, worthless ass die on the street like the common street trash she is, she can cry about how cruel the system is for not letting her bastard prodigy grow up without a mother. THEN we get every liberal breaking out the Stradevarius and singing a sad sad tale of woe.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Pretty big assumption. My piss comes out clear quite often because I ALWAYS walk around with a bottled water with me. I bet I drink a gallon of water a day.

    If I put down 2 glasses, poured stale Sprite into one and peed into the other, I'd bet you money that you couldn't tell the difference.
    Then you would be in HUGE trouble here in Houston. If you pee clear while on probation, they automatically investigate, and frequently revoke probation. Their rationale is that you would have something to hide if you are doing things that make you pee clear.
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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Since they are receiving tax payer money, I have no issues with making sure it's not supporting a drug habit. Though several have posted how easy it is to clear the system of drugs, it still could detect those who do drugs that don't clear easy, and instead of leaving them on the street with the money to buy more, they can be put into a rehab or something of the like to help them get off the drugs and hopefully break the cycle that most likely put them in the position they are in.

    That I would be willing to pay for.
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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Then you would be in HUGE trouble here in Houston. If you pee clear while on probation, they automatically investigate, and frequently revoke probation. Their rationale is that you would have something to hide if you are doing things that make you pee clear.
    Well, worst case scenario, you get clean pee and then go knock back a Big Gulp of Coke at the stop-n-rob. It'll be lemony yellow in no time.

    So maybe you need 2 1/2 days instead of 2. Still beatable.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And I agree with this decision. There is no evidence to suggest that, because somebody is poor, he or she is automatically a drug addict, anymore than, if someone were a banker, he or she is automatically a crook. But, seriously, the law was based on stereotyping, and I believe that SCOTUS will uphold the ruling.

    Article is here.
    I see it as more of a requirement to receive government support than the assumption that the poor are habitual drug users.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And I agree with this decision. There is no evidence to suggest that, because somebody is poor, he or she is automatically a drug addict, anymore than, if someone were a banker, he or she is automatically a crook. But, seriously, the law was based on stereotyping, and I believe that SCOTUS will uphold the ruling.

    Article is here.
    Indeed, the intention of the law is the same as the war on drugs, attempting to legislate morality. It is flawed from the get-go.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Well, worst case scenario, you get clean pee and then go knock back a Big Gulp of Coke at the stop-n-rob. It'll be lemony yellow in no time.

    So maybe you need 2 1/2 days instead of 2. Still beatable.
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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by JackFrost View Post
    Indeed, the intention of the law is the same as the war on drugs, attempting to legislate morality. It is flawed from the get-go.

    It is flawed because it makes an asssumption, and constitutes an illegal and unconstitutional search of a person based on no evidence of a crime.

    However, I would not be completely against it if the law applied equally to Congressmen, bankers who receive bailouts, and all others who receive Federal money.
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