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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    THE USPS is self funded. So no, you do not.



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    First, I haven't used USPS in years. But even if I had, I would have to pay for stamps. So either way, I'm paying for it if I use it.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Bull****!! They ran those banks into the ground, the government gives the banks hundreds of millions of dollars to stay afloat, and the bank CEO's give themselves a fat bonus on the taxpayers' dime. They are not providing a service. They are committing welfare fraud. Sure, there is no law against it, but it is exactly what they are doing, and none of your weasel words in defending these con artists is going to change that fact.
    Whatever your opinion on CEO's, they get paid by the shareholders, not the government. Thus, they are accountable to their shareholders.

    Likewise, if welfare recipients get paid by the taxpayers, they should be held accountable by the taxpayers.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And I agree with this decision. There is no evidence to suggest that, because somebody is poor, he or she is automatically a drug addict, anymore than, if someone were a banker, he or she is automatically a crook. But, seriously, the law was based on stereotyping, and I believe that SCOTUS will uphold the ruling.

    Article is here.
    I don't see a problem with it, honestly. The point of "welfare" is to get you back on your feet and start working again. You can't find many jobs out there who don't drug test these days. Despite whatever rhetoric is spewed from whichever side, anyone who is currently on drugs and unable to stop should not receive welfare, they should be hospitalized and treated.
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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Sorry, I misunderstood your post. I'm also not clear who said there are no requirements already that have to be met to receive welfare?
    The requirements, whatever those might be, should be determined by the ones handing out the cash. If taxpayers of Florida want welfare recipients to pee in a cup, then so be it. There is nothing saying that people HAVE to accept welfare checks. If you don't want to pee in a cup, don't take welfare.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    First, I haven't used USPS in years. But even if I had, I would have to pay for stamps. So either way, I'm paying for it if I use it.
    If you receive a letter, you are both using the post office and not paying for it.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    If you receive a letter, you are both using the post office and not paying for it.
    I didn't choose to receive the letter. Welfare recipients can choose to avoid peeing in a cup by avoiding collecting welfare. It would be different if we just handed them the money without them asking for it.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I didn't choose to receive the letter. Welfare recipients can choose to avoid peeing in a cup by avoiding collecting welfare. It would be different if we just handed them the money without them asking for it.
    But why spend more money on the drug tests than you save from the drug tests? It's literally throwing money away out of spite. And you don't even know that welfare money was spent on drugs if it's positive.
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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    But why spend more money on the drug tests than you save from the drug tests? It's literally throwing money away out of spite. And you don't even know that welfare money was spent on drugs if it's positive.
    Good point. I would fully support the idea of having an unbiased third party contracted out to investigate this. If somebody reliable did a real in-depth cost/benefit analysis and it turned out we're spending more than we're gaining from the program, I'd fully support dropping it.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Good point. I would fully support the idea of having an unbiased third party contracted out to investigate this. If somebody reliable did a real in-depth cost/benefit analysis and it turned out we're spending more than we're gaining from the program, I'd fully support dropping it.
    I believe that has been shown pretty obviously...am I missing something?

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    I believe that has been shown pretty obviously...am I missing something?
    It was shot down by the courts on legal/ethical grounds, not on practical grounds. The courts don't make budgetary decisions for the state.

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