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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The government did that once. The result was workhouses for the poor, 16 hour work days and still not enough money to feed the kids, child labor, the company stores that charged double what regular stores charged, unsafe working conditions (remember the Shirtwaist Fire, in which hundreds died because they were locked inside the factory?), and many, many more abuses of workers by robber barons. That government should get out of the way is total BS. Human nature and past history have proven that.
    One extreme, or the other? No in between?

    How's the economy doing with the government making things better?

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    It is a preposturous idea in the first place. Actually, if I remember correctly some Congressman's relation owned the company who was going to get the contract (or got it , whatever the case may be). So this whole infringement on the individual was probably nothing but a political patronage scam in the first place.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Congressmen are on the public role. In fact, not only are these politicians living off the taxpayer, they are in a position to create laws that affect all of us. Surely these people, of all people, should take a drug test to show their employer, us, that they are of sound mind.
    If that's what the voting public wants, then yes.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The Federal money they get from the gubmint. If bankers get handouts, they should be subject to the same rules as welfare recipients who get handouts. In the case of Congressmen, they aren't earning their pay, so that's a handout too.
    Bankers don't get handouts. You could, however, make a case that banks get handouts.

    On that, I agree... handouts to banks should not come with no strings attached.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    The majority of our deficits are due to short run economic factors. Plain and simple. Deficits were bad under Bush due to the Bush tax cuts and two unfunded wars. The economic disaster just piled on and has cost us trillions. This "feel the pain" caucus are the same folks that caused the problem and now supposedly have the solution. Americans are right to reject the notion that cuts now are the fix. The fact is major cuts now will just compound our macro economic woes. There's really not much more to say on the subject. When the economy turns around that's the time to start looking at places we could potentially cut. The idea of deep cuts to the folks that have been hit the hardest just isn't dumb economics it's immoral.
    The self-interested bankers at the Fed and politicians in Washington (the very same people who are directly responsible for all of this mess in the first place, I might add) have been selling us that load of hogwash for almost five years now. I hate to break it to everyone, but the Keynesian approach has more or less indisputably failed.

    Even radical Liberal publications like Rolling Stone are being forced to admit just how badly we've all been conned by Bernake and the Obama Administration. We are basically headed down the exact same road that Japan was forced to endure in the early 1990s. As a matter of fact, they STILL have not really recovered from their "Great Recession," and an entire generation of young Japanese workers and students have had their chances of ever living a normal and productive Middle Class life destroyed by it.

    Austerity may cause a great deal of short term pain - in fact, it is guaranteed to - but it also tends to guarantee genuine economic and political restructuring which often allows economies to be legitimately prosperous in the longrun.
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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Bankers don't get handouts. You could, however, make a case that banks get handouts.

    On that, I agree... handouts to banks should not come with no strings attached.
    OK, OK, you win. I agree. Drug testing for the CEO's of banks.
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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    OK, OK, you win. I agree. Drug testing for the CEO's of banks.
    CEO's don't get handouts.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    CEO's don't get handouts.
    Who was in charge of the banks that failed?
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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Who was in charge of the banks that failed?
    The owners of the bank, which would be anyone who owns stock in that bank.

    However, if the bank itself is receiving the "handout," then it is the bank itself that should have to do something for it.

    I would never authorize a blank check bailout the way Obama did, it is foolish and naive. I would have attached strings to getting the money, so that they would have to prove they are being good corporate citizens.

    Kind of like how welfare recipients should get their money with strings attached, to prove they are good public citizens.

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    Re: Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Gets No Reprieve From Appeals Court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    OK, OK, you win. I agree. Drug testing for the CEO's of banks.
    I'd be good with that. Many of them I've thought about and asked myself, "What the hell is that dude smokin'?".

    With the test, we'd know.

    Maybe derivatives and credit default swaps were the brain-child of Mary Jane herself.

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