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    Re: Officer Claims Cops Sell LAPD Guns to Civilians and Dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I didn't read anything saying those officers did anything illegal.

    If they were legally buying those firearms, it was not illegal to sell them.

    Last week, I saw a .223/5.56 MSAR STR Bullpup with the seal of an Arizona Sheriff's department for sale on gunbrokers.com because that department has opted to go to a different rifle for their SWAT team so sold off what they had. The Bullpup for sale had been bought by someone buying one of those rifles and figured he might make a profit on it. Because it had a green stock rather than the typical black and that cool sheriff's department logo/badge silk screened on it, it went for about $1000 more than other similar firearms.

    Cops legally buying firearms from the department can certainly be legally sold by those officers to other people. It sounds like some cop with strong anti-gun views started raging about that practice - and others in the department tired of that officer trying to damage the reputation of the department and those officers for his personal political agenda - something those officers were doing that is entirely legal - and certainly not rare.

    Until a couple decades ago, police departments annually sold off weapons seized in criminal cases at public auctions. Why wouldn't they? Guns are not illegal and that is income for the department.
    This is California, we have so many bad gun laws on the books.

    12070 thru 12084 Firearms Dealer Licensing, Gun Shows- Dangerous Weapons Control Laws - Bureau of Firearms - California Dept. of Justice - Office of the Attorney General

    CA code 12070 (c)(1) for pistols, main body for long guns.

    There is a limit per calendar year of 6 pistol transactions and 15 long gun transactions, each sales transaction can be multiple guns.


    Now the question. How many transactions did they conduct? The article states they sold to dealers, other officers, civilians, etc. They could have EASILY gone over the limit.

    ATF has gotten convictions for people buying firearms from an FFL with the intent to resell them to others. Their opinion is that if you are planning on reselling, especially when you already have a buyer lined up, that you are lying on the 4473 when you say that you are the buyer of the firearm.

    Also:

    NorCal deputies charged with dealing weapons | abc7.com

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. (KABC) -- Two Sacramento County sheriff's deputies have been charged for illegally selling dozens of weapons, federal prosecutors announced on Friday.

    Deputies Ryan McGowan, 31, and Thomas Lu, 42, both of Elk Grove face charges of trafficking in handguns that cannot be legally bought by citizens in California, including some exotic weapons such as high-powered rifles mounted on pistol frames.

    Remember, this is California. Civilians can not legally own most of the same weapons the police use.

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    Re: Officer Claims Cops Sell LAPD Guns to Civilians and Dealers

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    Re: Officer Claims Cops Sell LAPD Guns to Civilians and Dealers

    Well, if they were doing something illegal I'm glad someone finally spoke up and they caught the bunch of them. Isn't that the way it's supposed to work?

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    Re: Officer Claims Cops Sell LAPD Guns to Civilians and Dealers

    When the LAPD first went with the Kimber .45s, Kimber made a big deal that the LAPD cops were paying for their own guns out of their own pocket.
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    Re: Officer Claims Cops Sell LAPD Guns to Civilians and Dealers

    So the people we should trust proliferate arms while politicians try to convince us that guns are bad.... And that we are thoughtless greedy bastards for wanting guns with a decent bang. Anyone with common sense can figure the highest probability, direct route for mafia/hardcore gangs/death cults/ general crazies with big plans to get guns = cop stocks, becoming friends with a gun distributor or befriending a shipper. So I find it kind of funny when politicians put the general populace to the grindstone on the gun debate. Meanwhile the trustees are profiteering on instruments of death.
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    Re: Officer Claims Cops Sell LAPD Guns to Civilians and Dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by JackFrost View Post
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    LAPD illegally sold police guns, claims veteran officer ? RT USA

    LOS ANGELES (CN) - Los Angeles police officers bought and sold guns from the police armory for profit, and told the lieutenant in charge of the armory to "watch his back" after he reported it, the 25-year LAPD veteran claims in court.
    Armando Perez sued the City of Los Angeles and the Los Angeles Police Department in Superior Court.
    Perez, who joined the LAPD in 1987, claims he was retaliated against, suspended and threatened after he discovered, through his job as "Officer in Charge of the Armory," that officers in the Metropolitan Division were buying and reselling guns to other officers, civilians and gun dealers.
    "In or around May 2010, plaintiff initiated a detailed audit of Metro's inventory of firearms," the complaint states. "While performing the weapons audit, plaintiff learned that both officers within the unit and civilians were purchasing special LAPD SWAT-stamped Kimber firearms intended for official use. Plaintiff also discovered that the officers within the unit were possibly reselling these Kimber firearms for large profits to people outside of Metro SWAT - to LAPD officers of various ranks, including captains, plaintiff's own commanding officer, Captain John Incontro (hereinafter, 'Incontro'), and to non-LAPD civilian personnel. Plaintiff also discovered that the officers, unbeknownst to Kimber (the manufacturer), were allowing Cinema Weaponry to purchase these pistols at discounted price, and were allowing Lucas Ranch Gun Sales to facilitate the transfer of the pistols from Kimber to the officers. Plaintiff also discovered records indicating that Officer James Quinlan (hereinafter 'Quinlan') and other officers were facilitating the sales of the Kimber firearms to these other non-Metro LAPD officers, non-LAPD civilians, and gun dealers."
    What part of this was illegal?

    Were the weapons sold to prohibited persons? Were Class-3 weapons sold to private civilians? Is there a policy against police selling weapons to civilians or other officers? What did the department do with the money?

    The "Metro-SWAT" stamp on the side of the gun would just about double the gun's value to a civilian buyer....just because it's stamped...the gun would in all other ways be exactly identical to a gun that same civilian could buy themselves, only buying through the department is the only way to get that stamp. In the 80s when you could still buy an assult rifle at the sporting goods store, a rifle having the "Property of the US Government" stamp on the side would add 20-50% to the value...just for that stamp.

    It truly is a non-functional cosmetic, and people are willing to pay through the noes for things like this.

    There is nothing about a stamp that makes any weapon more lethal than an identical non-stamped weapon. A stamp on your weapon does not grant you police authority. It's just a stamp, like an autographed sports item.
    Last edited by Jerry; 03-02-13 at 01:44 AM.

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    Re: Officer Claims Cops Sell LAPD Guns to Civilians and Dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What part of this was illegal?

    Were the weapons sold to prohibited persons? Were Class-3 weapons sold to private civilians? Is there a policy against police selling weapons to civilians or other officers? What did the department do with the money?
    From the article linked in a post (above)
    Deputies Ryan McGowan, 31, and Thomas Lu, 42, both of Elk Grove face charges of trafficking in handguns that cannot be legally bought by citizens in California, including some exotic weapons such as high-powered rifles mounted on pistol frames.
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    Re: Officer Claims Cops Sell LAPD Guns to Civilians and Dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by JackFrost View Post
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    LAPD illegally sold police guns, claims veteran officer ? RT USA

    LOS ANGELES (CN) - Los Angeles police officers bought and sold guns from the police armory for profit, and told the lieutenant in charge of the armory to "watch his back" after he reported it, the 25-year LAPD veteran claims in court.
    Armando Perez sued the City of Los Angeles and the Los Angeles Police Department in Superior Court.
    Perez, who joined the LAPD in 1987, claims he was retaliated against, suspended and threatened after he discovered, through his job as "Officer in Charge of the Armory," that officers in the Metropolitan Division were buying and reselling guns to other officers, civilians and gun dealers.
    "In or around May 2010, plaintiff initiated a detailed audit of Metro's inventory of firearms," the complaint states. "While performing the weapons audit, plaintiff learned that both officers within the unit and civilians were purchasing special LAPD SWAT-stamped Kimber firearms intended for official use. Plaintiff also discovered that the officers within the unit were possibly reselling these Kimber firearms for large profits to people outside of Metro SWAT - to LAPD officers of various ranks, including captains, plaintiff's own commanding officer, Captain John Incontro (hereinafter, 'Incontro'), and to non-LAPD civilian personnel. Plaintiff also discovered that the officers, unbeknownst to Kimber (the manufacturer), were allowing Cinema Weaponry to purchase these pistols at discounted price, and were allowing Lucas Ranch Gun Sales to facilitate the transfer of the pistols from Kimber to the officers. Plaintiff also discovered records indicating that Officer James Quinlan (hereinafter 'Quinlan') and other officers were facilitating the sales of the Kimber firearms to these other non-Metro LAPD officers, non-LAPD civilians, and gun dealers."
    People expect criminals to follow the law and yet here are cops, the ones that are suppose to uphold the law, don't even follow it.

    So, tell me again how gun laws are suppose to work?
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    Re: Officer Claims Cops Sell LAPD Guns to Civilians and Dealers

    Not that I would be surprised if it was true, but Russia Today is a pretty poor source for reporting.

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