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    Re: Chris Christie ‘Not Being Invited’ to CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Haha! I feel the same way with the swing states.
    I am with you on that brutha.....Ohio, Iowa and Delaware. Although.....Rubio is way out in front on the game than Christie. Already Rubio has been making stops in Iowa and talking to Conservatives out there. Basically doing the same thing Obama did at the Grassroots level.

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    Re: Chris Christie ‘Not Being Invited’ to CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Which would mean that the CPAC is heading into 5 different "directions"

    Santorum and Paul are nearly opposite: a Religious Right statist vs. a raw libertarian.
    Perry is a social conservative, but no crusader, and perefers to talk about low taxes in Texas.
    Ryan is a fiscal conservative primarily interested in budget issues.
    Palin is a clown.
    Cruz will be there from Texas. Plus I hear an invite was sent to Susanna Martinez. Hopefully this will help to draw more Hispanics in.

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    Re: Chris Christie ‘Not Being Invited’ to CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I would make the argument that any canidate that Republicans put forth will have to at least be semi-popular in more liberal states. Christie has a much better chance winning Ohio, Wisconsin, Virginia, Michigan than say a Bobby Jindal or someone further right.
    Sshh! I know they'll never figure it out, but don't give them a clue.

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    Re: Chris Christie ‘Not Being Invited’ to CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Unfortunately, polling high almost two years before a mid-term and almost four years until a presidential election, counts for absolutely nothing.
    You do have a point. I mean the Hermanator was leading in the polls at one point.

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    Re: Chris Christie ‘Not Being Invited’ to CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    I clearly called Jeb Bush "a solid moderate", and Rand Paul "an almost-libertarian". No?
    Rand Paulis is a flaming hypocrit and any and all derogatory words not allowed here.

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    Re: Chris Christie ‘Not Being Invited’ to CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by 66gardeners View Post
    Rand Paulis is a flaming hypocrit and any and all derogatory words not allowed here.
    He is not a perfect messenger for libertarian ideas, but still he did speak for military cuts, against Patriot Act abuses - and speaking now, with Ron Wyden, against the drone program - to name only the aspects of libertarian politics a "progressive" should be pleased with.

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    Re: Chris Christie ‘Not Being Invited’ to CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    1. and 7. are contradictory.
    absolutely no contradiction. Gary Johnson is one of the few politicians who is willing to put country before party. he will not subordinate the party's demands to the nation's needs. that is a good thing. that Gary Johnson attracts voters from both parties is also a good thing. notice there is no contradiction there

    Since all the meat in the sandwich doesn't matter if no one knows where the bread is!
    the person who cares about what is good will seek out and find something satisfying and nourishing. those who don't care will instead eat ****
    any dining invitations you offer will not be accepted

    No one knows about Gary Johnson. No one cares about him either.
    he is not well known. just as it did to Ron Paul four years prior, the GOP did everything possible to ensure that his brand of conservatism was not viewed by the onlooking public. but then you may be fond of the present GOP hierarchy and how it operates

    2. You'd be surprised. Paulbots defending Rand Paul already.
    yes, but not in significant numbers to propel him to national candidacy. and if you are interested in a wager, where you are willing to bet on rand paul's success in 2016, send me a PM; i welcome taking someone else's money in a sure thing

    3. Hahahahaha I was going to take you seriously, but it seems it is you who have no idea what you are talking about! Ron Paul supporters did not start the Tea Party. I don't even know why you guys want to think that since you apparently hate all tea party members that aren't libertarians, and those libertarians need to fall in line with Ron Paul's ideas...
    you have no clue about the formation of the tea party or my involvement with it in 2007-2008
    Ron Paul's campaign, being unable to participate in the established GOP nominating process, scheduled its own meetings coincident with those of the GOP. often in the adjoining space. those meetings were termed Tea Parties by the Ron Paul supporters in attendance. these gatherings of Ron Paul supporters were quite effective in expressing views outside the established party line. which was why the wingers co-opted the Tea Party brand after 2008 as a way to avoid identifying themselves to be affiliated with or supportive of the party of dicknbush and mccain

    4. No it's not. Gary Johnson is just a paultard.
    while i recognize your "tard" reference may be an appropriate one, i disagree that it describes Gary Johnson

    Christie is a governor who has a national presence and who leads in times of crises! He also throws punches at the establishment and kills anybody who makes fun of his weight. Johnson has got none of that.
    and that Gary Johnson does not throw his weight around like christie is a very good thing. christie goes out of his way to piss people off. if he were black he would be known as THE angry black man of this political era. but christie is a fat guy, obviously without self discipline in very visible ways. christie is good telling it like it is until he has to account for his own (in)actions. then he becomes VERY defensive and combative. appealing to some, maybe, but certainly not a character trait that will win a national election. as presidential candidate, the media will roll him in mud in short order [apologies for the visual]

    5. As outlined before on this thread, his boldness when dealing with both parties makes him more appealing not the other way around. Democrats like Christie and Republicans like Christie. The only people who don't are principled Tea Partiers and liberaltarians.
    i admire your optimism but reality is certain to disappoint you. any voter who seeks a temperate candidate will NOT vote for christie. he turns off as many as he turns on - from both parties. that is the lesson christie will have to learn if he decides to take a shot at the white house

    6. What major player likes Gary Johnson in both parties?
    why is that important? it is the voters at large, not some major player within the political party, who will need to turn out to vote for and elect Gary Johnson
    to offset a campaign contribution disadvantage he will have to appeal to the average citizen for help ... if i recall, that's what the winning presidential candidate did in '08

    8. Gary Johnson like Ron Paul first ran as a Republican. So that alone makes him a RINO!
    since the GOP would not allow him to play in its reindeer games leading to the selection of a presidential candidate, the truth is the republican party left Gary Johnson

    Then, he ran on the libertarian ticket focusing mostly on drugs.
    that was not his focus. of the 11 issues he posted here Issues
    drug reform is one of them. he properly recognizes that the current prohibition mimmicks that one repealed in the 30's. common sense, actually [recognizing common sense is no longer all that common]

    Well, here's his farewell State of the State Address, in which he explains to New Mexico the things which were important to him, the accomplishments of which he is most proud. Virtually all of which are various programs he has increased. Various spending he has increased. Various pork barrels. Stateline - New Mexico State of the State Address 2002
    don't think you could have read his speech and then made those absurdly wrong statements. so, hold on while i correct your 'work':
    Virtually all of which are various programs he has increased.
    from Gary Johnson's final state of the state speech [the emphasis will be mine]:
    I can also report to you that your state government is smaller and better. We have reduced the number of state employees by 1.25% since I took office while at the same time putting in systems that better serve our citizens. Prior to my administration, the state employee head count grew at an annual rate of 2.8%. If that trend had continued, the employee count would now be approximately 25,000 instead of the current 20,000.
    Finally, having made all of this progress and more, my administration has also held the line on taxes. In the last seven years there has been no increase in taxes. I repeat, no new taxes. I will always remember when I signed the repeal of the six-cent gas tax in 1995 and I thank the Legislature for that.
    ... we need an income tax cut to stimulate the economy in New Mexico. Clearly, we have needed an income tax cut in New Mexico. An income tax cut will help New Mexico families and businesses. Is this an easy sell and will it happen this session? Probably not. Should it happen? Absolutely. We have had seven years of surplus and no meaningful income tax reduction.
    This is not a time to expand government programs. Last legislative session, I vetoed $147 million in general fund capital outlay and $110 million in recurring spending. In retrospect that was the right thing to do because it allowed us to increase our reserve fund to $450 million. ... I am going to make the following promise to every citizen in New Mexico: I am not going to walk out this office in December 2002 and leave the state the way that I inherited it in January 1995. Today reserves are at $450 million. In 1995, because of under-funding by the Legislature and the Governor prior to my taking office, reserves went down to $22 million.
    i am still looking for those pork barrels you were referring to

    Mr. Johnson did veto many bills, but clearly not nearly enough.
    so, that he alone vetoed more bills than the other 49 governors COMBINED was not enough to prove he is willing to act the way he speaks. yes, he ONLY vetoed 32% of the bills that arrived for his signature. hopefully, you can now recognize why any credibility you may have once possessed about thing politic has now dissipated
    He did not veto appropriations bills.
    he only did that over one thousand times
    hopefully, you can now recognize why any credibility you may have once possessed about thing politic has now dissipated
    Those would have been the important ones to veto! He did not veto all the outrageous growth in the state government that was occurring during his tenure. In fact, as you can see from his address above, he took pride in much of this growth. He could have vetoed the cancerous growth. The debt. The taxes. The waste. He could have stopped it. But, either he had no desire to do so (this is what I think is the truth), or, the most charitable possibility is that he had the desire, but lacked the courage to do it. Since, New Mexico has line item veto, not only could he have vetoed budget bills outright, he could have crossed out billions of dollars of spending, line by line. Did he? No.
    he only did that over one thousand times
    Track Record
    i am not laughing with you

    I look forward to your response!!!
    i hope it was as satisfying for you as it was for me. hell, that felt so good i need a cigarette

    You won't be able to defend your man now, especially since he's been exposed to be almost exactly like Christie what you think Christie is like as Governor!!! Johnson's just another libertarian hypocrite.
    if only authentic critics were so lacking in their own criticisms as your own
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Chris Christie ‘Not Being Invited’ to CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Its a repetition of what others think with no commentary, opinions, or direction for the purpose of this thread. Also a drive by since the op has yet to follow up.
    what he posted as his own observation meets the requirement of the forum as i read it
    and i saw no requirement that the OP must return to his thread
    have you PM'd a mod to get their take or reported the post as mis-located so that they can evaluate your concerns
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Chris Christie ‘Not Being Invited’ to CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    other than Gary Johnson, christie is the only republican prospect who has even a remote chance of winning national election
    exclude them from contention and open the door to yet another democratic presidency

    I bet Democrats LOVED McCain when he was the maverick moderate running against W Bush in that Republican primary. And then how much those same Democrats declared how evil, greedy, incompetent he was when McCain did become the president.

    It would be no different for Christie. Democrats praise Christie and declare he is a great government in polls - his greatness being in criticizing Republicans and praising Obama. But if Christie were the candidate for president, those same Democrats and so-called independents would do a 100% reversal.

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    Re: Chris Christie ‘Not Being Invited’ to CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what he posted as his own observation meets the requirement of the forum as i read it
    and i saw no requirement that the OP must return to his thread
    have you PM'd a mod to get their take or reported the post as mis-located so that they can evaluate your concerns
    Yes but they dont pay attention, so I thought I would ask the OP to try and make a substantial post. Im sorry that you took it personally.

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