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    Re: Chris Christie ‘Not Being Invited’ to CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Progressive Conservatives while the Democrats should move more left.
    If by "Progressive Conservatives" you mean imperial megalomaniacs like Teddy Roosevelt and technocratic meddlers like Herbert Hoover - that's what Republicans already are, in practice, when not making campaign speeches, most of them.

    If the Democrats move any further to the left, they will self-destruct. Which is not a bad idea.

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    Re: Chris Christie ‘Not Being Invited’ to CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post

    maybe i missed something; what do you find deficient with this thread?
    The lack of original content.

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    Re: Chris Christie ‘Not Being Invited’ to CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    don't think so
    like christie, Gary Johnson was a republican governor of a blue state; only term limits keep him from still being its governor
    and that had nothing to do with marijuana. it was about Johnson having the courage to do what he promised to do (vetoed 750 bills - 32%; more than all other 49 governors combined Track Record)
    it is that rare trait which serves him well


    ok. share with us what he has done which conflicts with his economic stances
    i look forward to seeing this portion of your reply


    he has never been a major player. to many of us, who have little use or respect for the established parties. that he is free to be his own person is a good thing


    being someone who appreciated many aspects of Ron Paul's politics, there is little to be appreciated from the son
    don't know how many of us there are, but i doubt his surname is going to be enough to overcome all of the objections many have to rand paul's personal ideology


    wish you were joking. it was Ron Paul adherents who began the tea party, when Ron Paul was uninvited to the GOP's nomination process
    only when the republican party/mccain crashed and burned in 2008, following the disaster of dicknbush, did the former GOP reich wingers co-opt the 'tea party' to avoid the embarrassment of being known as 'republicans'


    what is really sad is having no idea about what one posts ... as we will soon again observe in your response


    christie does have better name recognition. that is his lone advantage when comparing him to Gary Johnson. but his negatives - with members of both parties - will hurt his prospects whereas Gary Johnson is viewed positively by members of both parties - at least among those who know something about him
    Kudos, Bubba!

    I have followed Gray Johnson and voted for Gary Johnson. You nailed it. In fact, you were bang on when you stated that Johnson would still be governor if it weren't for term limits. I suspect that when Cyrylek said that know one knows who Johnson is, he was speaking for himself.










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    Re: Chris Christie ‘Not Being Invited’ to CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I see your point but I think two diametrically opposed philosophies are needed. This creates gridlock and the government as a rule is forced to move slowly. I believe the founders designed the system this way.
    Absolutely. Social-democratic (socialist, whatever) and liberal (in the orginal sense, "libertarian") political philosophies.

    Neither modern American "conservatism" nor modern American "liberalism" are good candidates - they are not internally consistent, not actionable in the real world - and are not much more than a smokescreen for mismatched electoral coalitions of special interests.

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    Re: Chris Christie ‘Not Being Invited’ to CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post

    1. he has never been a major player.

    2. but i doubt his surname is going to be enough to overcome all of the objections many have to rand paul's personal ideology

    3. it was Ron Paul adherents who began the tea party.

    4. christie does have better name recognition that is his lone advantage when comparing him to Gary Johnson.

    5. but his negatives - with members of both parties - will hurt his prospects

    6. whereas Gary Johnson is viewed positively by members of both parties

    7. at least among those who know something about him

    8. share with us what he has done which conflicts with his economic stances
    1. and 7. are contradictory. Since all the meat in the sandwich doesn't matter if no one knows where the bread is! No one knows about Gary Johnson. No one cares about him either.
    2. You'd be surprised. Paulbots defending Rand Paul already.
    3. Hahahahaha I was going to take you seriously, but it seems it is you who have no idea what you are talking about! Ron Paul supporters did not start the Tea Party. I don't even know why you guys want to think that since you apparently hate all tea party members that aren't libertarians, and those libertarians need to fall in line with Ron Paul's ideas...
    4. No it's not. Gary Johnson is just a paultard. Christie is a governor who has a national presence and who leads in times of crises! He also throws punches at the establishment and kills anybody who makes fun of his weight. Johnson has got none of that.
    5. As outlined before on this thread, his boldness when dealing with both parties makes him more appealing not the other way around. Democrats like Christie and Republicans like Christie. The only people who don't are principled Tea Partiers and liberaltarians.
    6. What major player likes Gary Johnson in both parties?
    8. Gary Johnson like Ron Paul first ran as a Republican. So that alone makes him a RINO! Then, he ran on the libertarian ticket focusing mostly on drugs. Well, here's his farewell State of the State Address, in which he explains to New Mexico the things which were important to him, the accomplishments of which he is most proud. Virtually all of which are various programs he has increased. Various spending he has increased. Various pork barrels. Stateline - New Mexico State of the State Address 2002

    Mr. Johnson did veto many bills, but clearly not nearly enough. He did not veto appropriations bills. Those would have been the important ones to veto! He did not veto all the outrageous growth in the state government that was occurring during his tenure. In fact, as you can see from his address above, he took pride in much of this growth. He could have vetoed the cancerous growth. The debt. The taxes. The waste. He could have stopped it. But, either he had no desire to do so (this is what I think is the truth), or, the most charitable possibility is that he had the desire, but lacked the courage to do it. Since, New Mexico has line item veto, not only could he have vetoed budget bills outright, he could have crossed out billions of dollars of spending, line by line. Did he? No.


    I look forward to your response!!! You won't be able to defend your man now, especially since he's been exposed to be almost exactly like Christie what you think Christie is like as Governor!!! Johnson's just another libertarian hypocrite.
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    Re: Chris Christie ‘Not Being Invited’ to CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The lack of original content.
    why is this found insufficient?:
    Speculation is that this is about Christie's handling of Hurricane Sandy.
    that was certainly enough to let me know that the OP believes this failure to receive an invite is the direct result of christie's lauding the president for his response to hurricane sandy
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Chris Christie ‘Not Being Invited’ to CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Kudos, Bubba!

    I have followed Gray Johnson and voted for Gary Johnson. You nailed it. In fact, you were bang on when you stated that Johnson would still be governor if it weren't for term limits. I suspect that when Cyrylek said that know one knows who Johnson is, he was speaking for himself.
    When did Cyrylek say that?! Cyrylek voted for Gary Johnson. And it was the first time ever when Cyrylek voted for a presidential candidate without misgivings.

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    Re: Chris Christie ‘Not Being Invited’ to CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    other than Gary Johnson, christie is the only republican prospect who has even a remote chance of winning national election
    exclude them from contention and open the door to yet another democratic presidency
    Not even close. Christie doesn't, and never had, a chance in hell of either securing the nomination or winning the election for POTUS. Besides, it's much too early in the cycle to be predictive about presidential candidates, mid-terms are are almost two years off as it is and we're going to have to get through those first.

    On a side note, I don't believe America will sign onto a fat POTUS while we're going through this "OMG, how'd we get so obese" phase.
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    Re: Chris Christie ‘Not Being Invited’ to CPAC

    I would make the argument that any canidate that Republicans put forth will have to at least be semi-popular in more liberal states. Christie has a much better chance winning Ohio, Wisconsin, Virginia, Michigan than say a Bobby Jindal or someone further right.
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    Re: Chris Christie ‘Not Being Invited’ to CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    If by "Progressive Conservatives" you mean imperial megalomaniacs like Teddy Roosevelt and technocratic meddlers like Herbert Hoover - that's what Republicans already are, in practice, when not making campaign speeches, most of them.

    If the Democrats move any further to the left, they will self-destruct. Which is not a bad idea.
    Progressive Conservative by the Canadian definition like Brian Mulroney.

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