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    Re: Texas bans shooting immigrants from helicopters

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't dispute these facts - I was simply following up on the discussion yesterday where some on the left claimed that the Texas example was wrong because it ignored "due process" for those on the ground but didn't think due process should equally be given to those killed by drones, even when they are American citizens. My point was that it would be wrong in both cases if innocent lives are lost.
    I agree with you that due process should apply to all, but in the Texas case, they were fleeing law enforcement, which has ordered them to stop. The helicopter had every right to fire on the truck without taking away due process. They had due process when ordered to stop.
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    Re: Texas bans shooting immigrants from helicopters

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I agree with you that due process should apply to all, but in the Texas case, they were fleeing law enforcement, which has ordered them to stop. The helicopter had every right to fire on the truck without taking away due process. They had due process when ordered to stop.
    In effect, those in the truck were in the process of committing a crime - failure to stop - and were suspected of being in the process of committing other crimes, such as illegal entry into the country and drug trafficing - that makes, in my view, the actions of the troopers even more legitimate than drone attacks where the intent is solely to kill someone not committing a crime but perhaps planning one.

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    Re: Texas bans shooting immigrants from helicopters

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I dont object due to due process, I just dont beleive there was enough of a threat from a speeding pickup truck that the LEOs in the helicopter should open fire. I do believe AlQueda leader ship poses that much of a threat. I do understand your argument though.
    The scope of illegal activity intwined with illegal border crossing go well beyond mere speeding

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    Texas bans shooting immigrants from helicopters

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I agree with you that due process should apply to all, but in the Texas case, they were fleeing law enforcement, which has ordered them to stop. The helicopter had every right to fire on the truck without taking away due process. They had due process when ordered to stop.
    This is correct. This is more a police procedure issue. Police departments have pretty wide leeway in determining policy with respect to use of force. That said shooting at moving truck from a moving helicopter and achieving any repeatable degree of accuracy is likely beyond the abilities of all but the most talented marksmen. Meaning that in most cases it's a dumb idea.
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    Re: Texas bans shooting immigrants from helicopters

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    This is correct. This is more a police procedure issue. Police departments have pretty wide leeway in determining policy with respect to use of force. That said shooting at moving truck from a moving helicopter and achieving any repeatable degree of accuracy is likely beyond the abilities of all but the most talented marksmen. Meaning that in most cases it's a dumb idea.
    They aimed for the tires. They hit the tires. Case closed.
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    Texas bans shooting immigrants from helicopters

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    They aimed for the tires. They hit the tires. Case closed.
    And they aimed for the tires and hit two people.
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    Re: Texas bans shooting immigrants from helicopters

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    And they aimed for the tires and hit two people.
    No, they hit the tires, and then the truck crashed, killing two people.
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    Texas bans shooting immigrants from helicopters

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    No, they hit the tires, and then the truck crashed, killing two people.
    The OP article uses the term "gunned down" and the NY Times article on the incident says "they were killed by the sharpshooter".
    Both of those strongly imply that the 2 were killed by gunfire and not the crash.
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    Re: Texas bans shooting immigrants from helicopters

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Perhaps not - what you refer to is deliberate on the part of the bombers. Obama has simply ordered bombings that occasionally takes out men, women and children attending a wedding celebration - I'm sure that wasn't his intent - that's what makes it indiscriminate.
    Then they're indiscriminate in that the bombs themselves aren't discriminative. No bomb is. So if that's the case, why even point it out?
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    Re: Texas bans shooting immigrants from helicopters

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Then they're indiscriminate in that the bombs themselves aren't discriminative. No bomb is. So if that's the case, why even point it out?
    I believe you were the one making the distinction - I simply pointed out that if one is bad, they both are.

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