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McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

Napoleon said:
Looks like your cross border authority was granted. Obviously our military suffers from serious logistical issues among other things. (surprise) The kinds of questions people should really be asking are things like: Why did it take the Marines 21 hours to move from Spain to Libya after they'd been given orders to do so? The few. The proud. The agonizingly slow?
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Since the U.S. Navy is the Marine Corps taxi service, where was the Navy ? Where were the carriers ? Where was the Gator Navy with it's amphibious ships with a SOP capable Marine Expeditionary Unit on board ?

Why were the last eleven Presidents competent enough to always see that there was always a carrier and a battalion of Marines deployed in the Mediterranean ?

Barack Obama is suppose to be the Commander and Chief isn't he ?

I think Obama has his priorities mixed up, instead of gays in the military, gender friendly heads, dumbing down the officers corps in the name of diversity and wanting to put girls on the front lines in combat units, he should be more concerned about all of those carriers that are tied up to the wharfs that can't deploy because the lack of funding.
 
APACHERAT said:
Since the U.S. Navy is the Marine Corps taxi service, where was the Navy ? Where were the carriers ? Where was the Gator Navy with it's amphibious ships with a SOP capable Marine Expeditionary Unit on board ?

Why were the last eleven Presidents competent enough to always see that there was always a carrier and a battalion of Marines deployed in the Mediterranean ?

Barack Obama is suppose to be the Commander and Chief isn't he ?

I think Obama has his priorities mixed up, instead of gays in the military, gende

r friendly heads, dumbing down the officers corps in the name of diversity and wanting to put girls on the front lines in combat units, he should be more concerned about all of those carriers that are tied up to the wharfs that can't deploy because the lack of funding.
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There were no ships of the gator navy around, no wasp assault ships or anything of the sort. We are not gifted with thousands of eyes like the Greek monster argus.
 
APACHERAT said:
I think Obama has his priorities mixed up, instead of gays in the military, gender friendly heads, dumbing down the officers corps in the name of diversity and wanting to put girls on the front lines in combat units, he should be more concerned about all of those carriers that are tied up to the wharfs that can't deploy because the lack of funding.
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Are you claiming that the United States Sixth Fleet was not in the Mediterranean?
 
nota bene said:
Oh, I think planting his ass in the Situation Room would've been a mighty fine start. Great photo op too.

President Obama doesn't appear to have done anything. Secretary of State Clinton appears to have done nothing. Whatever the right thing to have done is, they didn't do it.

If State is so big and complicated that what the Ambassador was saying months before was "lost," then somebody wasn't doing her job. Libya requires attention.

Report: Ambassador Stevens Said He Was on an Al-Qaeda Hit List - Yahoo! News

At best, in my opinion, this is, at the least, gross incompetence and a craven attempt to cover it up because of the upcoming election. And because he's been mentioned earlier in this thread and referred to as a "doddering old man," I think a President McCain would have been hands-on and upfront with the American people.
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Here is where the CIA comes into the play.....

WASHINGTON -- CIA security officers went to the aid of State Department staff less than 25 minutes after they got the first call for help during the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, U.S. intelligence officials said Thursday, as they laid out a detailed timeline of the CIA's immediate response to the attack from its annex less than a mile from the diplomatic mission.

The timeline was offered just days before the presidential election in a clear effort to refute recent news reports that said the CIA told its personnel to "stand down" rather than go to the consulate to help repel the attackers. Fox News reported that when CIA officers at the annex called higher-ups to tell them the consulate was under fire, they were twice told to "stand down." The CIA publicly denied the report.

The intelligence officials told reporters Thursday that when the CIA annex received a call about the assault, about half a dozen members of a CIA security team tried to get heavy weapons and other assistance from the Libyans. But when the Libyans failed to respond, the security team, which routinely carries small arms, went ahead with the rescue attempt. The officials said that at no point was the team told to wait.

Instead, they said the often outmanned and outgunned team members made all the key decisions on the ground, with no second-guessing from senior officials monitoring the situation from afar.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to provide intelligence information publicly.
The Associated Press has reported that the CIA station chief in Tripoli and a State Department official sent word to Washington during the attack citing eyewitnesses as saying it was not a film protest, but the planned work of armed militants.

The officials' description Thursday of the attack provided details about a second CIA security team in Tripoli that quickly chartered a plane and flew to Benghazi, but got stuck at the airport. By then, however, the first team had gotten the State Department staff out of the consulate and back to the CIA base at the nearby annex.
According to the detailed timeline senior officials laid out Thursday, the first call to the CIA base came in at about 9:40 p.m., and less than 25 minutes later about the team headed to the consulate. En route they tried to get additional assistance, including some heavier weapons, but were unable to get much aid from the Libyan militias.

The team finally got to the consulate, which was engulfed in heavy diesel smoke and flames, and they went in to get the consulate staff out. By 11:30 p.m. all of the U.S. personnel - except Stevens - left and drove back to the annex, with some taking fire from militants along the way.

The Foreign Policy article said some of the documents are clearly marked as State Department correspondence. Others are unsigned printouts of messages to local and national Libyan authorities. The article said two unsigned draft letters are both dated Sept. 11 and express strong fears about the security situation at the compound.

"Finally, early this morning at 0643, September 11, 2012, one of our diligent guards made a troubling report," said one of the documents quoted in the story and addressed to Mohamed Obeidi, the head of the Libyan Ministry of Foreign Affairs office in Benghazi. "Near our main gate, a member of the police force was seen in the upper level of a building across from our compound. It is reported that this person was photographing the inside of the U.S. special mission and furthermore that this person was part of the police unit sent to protect the mission. The police car stationed where this event occurred was number 322.".....snip~

http://www.stripes.com/news/libya-c...lomats-as-libya-attack-was-under-way-1.195596

Well and the fact that Obama's Narrative all up until that time was that AQ was decimated. But you are Correct.....if his focus wouldn't have been on his personal Election he might have had more time to give to more important matters that pertained to the Country.
 
MMC said:
Here is where the CIA comes into the play.....

WASHINGTON -- CIA security officers went to the aid of State Department staff less than 25 minutes after they got the first call for help during the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, U.S. intelligence officials said Thursday, as they laid out a detailed timeline of the CIA's immediate response to the attack from its annex less than a mile from the diplomatic mission.

The timeline was offered just days before the presidential election in a clear effort to refute recent news reports that said the CIA told its personnel to "stand down" rather than go to the consulate to help repel the attackers. Fox News reported that when CIA officers at the annex called higher-ups to tell them the consulate was under fire, they were twice told to "stand down." The CIA publicly denied the report.

The intelligence officials told reporters Thursday that when the CIA annex received a call about the assault, about half a dozen members of a CIA security team tried to get heavy weapons and other assistance from the Libyans. But when the Libyans failed to respond, the security team, which routinely carries small arms, went ahead with the rescue attempt. The officials said that at no point was the team told to wait.

Instead, they said the often outmanned and outgunned team members made all the key decisions on the ground, with no second-guessing from senior officials monitoring the situation from afar.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to provide intelligence information publicly.
The Associated Press has reported that the CIA station chief in Tripoli and a State Department official sent word to Washington during the attack citing eyewitnesses as saying it was not a film protest, but the planned work of armed militants.

The officials' description Thursday of the attack provided details about a second CIA security team in Tripoli that quickly chartered a plane and flew to Benghazi, but got stuck at the airport. By then, however, the first team had gotten the State Department staff out of the consulate and back to the CIA base at the nearby annex.
According to the detailed timeline senior officials laid out Thursday, the first call to the CIA base came in at about 9:40 p.m., and less than 25 minutes later about the team headed to the consulate. En route they tried to get additional assistance, including some heavier weapons, but were unable to get much aid from the Libyan militias.

The team finally got to the consulate, which was engulfed in heavy diesel smoke and flames, and they went in to get the consulate staff out. By 11:30 p.m. all of the U.S. personnel - except Stevens - left and drove back to the annex, with some taking fire from militants along the way.

The Foreign Policy article said some of the documents are clearly marked as State Department correspondence. Others are unsigned printouts of messages to local and national Libyan authorities. The article said two unsigned draft letters are both dated Sept. 11 and express strong fears about the security situation at the compound.

"Finally, early this morning at 0643, September 11, 2012, one of our diligent guards made a troubling report," said one of the documents quoted in the story and addressed to Mohamed Obeidi, the head of the Libyan Ministry of Foreign Affairs office in Benghazi. "Near our main gate, a member of the police force was seen in the upper level of a building across from our compound. It is reported that this person was photographing the inside of the U.S. special mission and furthermore that this person was part of the police unit sent to protect the mission. The police car stationed where this event occurred was number 322.".....snip~

http://www.stripes.com/news/libya-c...lomats-as-libya-attack-was-under-way-1.195596

Well and the fact that Obama's Narrative all up until that time was that AQ was decimated. But you are Correct.....if his focus wouldn't have been on his personal Election he might have had more time to give to more important matters that pertained to the Country.
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What proof is there that confirms al qeada was the culprit and not one of the Libyan militias?
 
Obama Has Touted Al Qaeda’s Demise 32 Times since Benghazi Attack....

President Barack Obama has described al Qaeda as having been “decimated,” “on the path to defeat” or some other variation at least 32 times since the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, according to White House transcripts.

This comes despite Libyan President Mohamed Yousef El-Magarief, members of Congress, an administration spokesperson, and several press reports suggesting that al Qaeda played a role in the attack.

An Aug. 16 cable from Ambassador Chris Stevens, who was killed on Sept. 11, was sent to the Office of the Secretary of State and briefed on the emergency meeting, saying, “on the location of approximately ten Islamist militias and AQ training camps within Benghazi … these groups ran the spectrum from Islamist militias, such as QRF Brigade and Ansar al-Sharia to Takfirist thugs,” Fox News reported the communication as saying.

During a Sept. 16 interview on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” host Bob Schieffer asked Libyan President Mohamed Yousef El-Magarief, “And you believe that this was the work of al Qaeda and you believe that it was led by foreigners. Is that-- is that what you are telling us?”

Mohamed Yousef El-Magarief responded, “It was planned— definitely, it was planned by foreigners, by people who— who entered the country a few months ago, and they were planning this criminal act since their— since their arrival.”

Shawn Turner, a spokesman for the director of National Intelligence, said on Sept. 28, “It remains unclear if any group or person exercised overall command and control of the attack, and if extremist group leaders directed their members to participate. However, we do assess that some of those involved were linked to groups affiliated with, or sympathetic to Al Qaeda.”

A Congressional Research Service Report on Oct. 18, said, “Libyan General National Congress President Mohammed Yusuf al Magariaf has linked Al Qaeda to the attacks in interviews and stated his view that the attacks were planned to correspond with September 11 and avenge Al Libi’s death. Al Qaeda’s regional affiliate-Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM)-released a statement praising the September 11, 2012 attack, but did not claim credit for planning or helping to execute it.”

Obama Has Touted Al Qaeda

This having all that Obama was saying up until that time and while Speaking at several Universities.....despite what the Libyan President was saying.
 
Witnesses and the authorities have called Ahmed Abu Khattala one of the ringleaders of the Sept. 11 attack on the American diplomatic mission here. But just days after President Obama reasserted his vow to bring those responsible to justice, Mr. Abu Khattala spent two leisurely hours on Thursday evening at a crowded luxury hotel, sipping a strawberry frappe on a patio and scoffing at the threats coming from the American and Libyan governments.

Libya’s fledgling national army is a “national chicken,” Mr. Abu Khattala said, using an Arabic rhyme. Asked who should take responsibility for apprehending the mission’s attackers, he smirked at the idea that the weak Libyan government could possibly do it. And he accused the leaders of the United States of “playing with the emotions of the American people” and “using the consulate attack just to gather votes for their elections.” Mr. Abu Khattala’s defiance — no authority has even questioned him about the attack, he said, and he has no plans to go into hiding — offered insight into the shadowy landscape of the self-formed militias that have come to constitute the only source of social order in Libya since the fall of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi.

A few, like the militia group Ansar al-Shariah that is linked to Mr. Abu Khattala and that officials in Washington and Tripoli agree was behind the attack, have embraced an extremist ideology hostile to the West and nursed ambitions to extend it over Libya. But also troubling to the United States is the evident tolerance shown by other militias allied with the government, which have so far declined to take any action against suspects in the Benghazi attack.

Although Mr. Abu Khattala said he was not a member of Al Qaeda, he declared he would be proud to be associated with Al Qaeda’s puritanical zeal for Islamic law. And he said that the United States had its own foreign policy to blame for the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. “Why is the United States always trying to impose its ideology on everyone else?” he asked. “Why is it always trying to use force to implement its agendas?”.....snip~
 
The trucks bore the logo of Ansar al-Shariah, a powerful local group of Islamist militants who worked with the municipal government to manage security in Benghazi.

Ansar al-Shariah, the group whose members are suspected in the attack, is made up of militants with an al-Qaida-like ideology, but it is not clear whether it has any true ties to the terror organization. Made up mainly of veterans of last year's civil war, it is one of the many powerful, heavily armed militias that operate freely in Libya and in Benghazi, while government control remains weak. Some Benghazi officials have praised Ansar al-Shariah for helping keep order in the city, even as they note its jihadi ideology.

With its arsenal of weapons, the group is capable of carrying out such an attack on the consulate on its own and even on relatively short notice. Islamist militias in Benghazi had in previous months threatened to attack the compound.

Yasser el-Sirri, a former Egyptian militant who runs the Islamic Observation Center in London closely tracking jihadi groups, said the attack "had nothing to do with the film but it was a coincidence that served the (militants') purpose."
He believes the ambassador was the target and the attackers may have been inspired by an al-Qaida call to avenge the death of a top Libyan jihadist on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on the United States in 2001. But he offered no firm evidence that was the motive.

The neighbors all described the militants setting up checkpoints around the compound at about 8 p.m. The State Department's timeline says the attack itself began at around 9:40 p.m.
The attack came from the front and the side. A neighbor whose house is on side of the consulate compound said militants with their faces wrapped in scarves attacking.

Because of the checkpoints, "it felt like our neighborhood was occupied, no one could get out or in," he said.

The effectiveness of the roadblocks was later revealed in the State Department's account of the evacuation. It described how the rescue force came under heavy fire and grenade attacks as they tried to leave the consulate area.....snip~
 
Napoleon said:
Are you claiming that the United States Sixth Fleet was not in the Mediterranean?
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There was no Carrier Strike Group on station in the 6th Fleet AOR which is the Mediterranean on 9-11-12.

There seems not to have been a Naval Amphibious Group on station in the Mediterranean on 9-11-12.

I do know there was a Arleigh Burke class destroyer in the Mediterranean. The Arlleigh Burk's are a good anti air defense platform and the Al Qaeda Air Force wouldn't have a chance. They (Arleigh Burke's have a strike capability with Tomahawk cruise missiles but not the best weapon of choice when Americans are "danger close." Now the destroyers 5"/54 gun could have saved the day and I'm pretty sure these two former Navy SEAL's could have spotted and got some 5" rounds on target.
 
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Pic of Benghazi.....
 
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Consulate and the Annex with the area in-between.....We have these pics up in one of the Older Benghazi Threads here.
 
According to the CIA, the first calls for assistance came at 9:40 p.m. local time from a senior State Department official at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, to the CIA annex about a mile away.

But according to multiple people on the ground that night, the Blue Mountain Security manager, who was in charge of the local force hired to guard the consulate perimeter, made calls on both two-way radios and cell phones to colleagues in Benghazi warning of problems at least an hour earlier. Those calls allegedly went to local security contractors who say that the CIA annex was also notified much earlier than 9:40 p.m. U.S. military intelligence also told Fox News that armed militia was gathering up to three hours before the attack began.

One source said the Blue Mountain Security chief seemed "distraught" and said "the situation here is very serious, we have a problem." He also said that even without these phone and radio calls, it was clear to everyone in the security community on the ground in Benghazi much earlier than 9:40 p.m. that fighters were gathering in preparation for an attack.

Many of these security contractors and intelligence sources on the ground in Benghazi met twice a week for informal meetings at the consulate with Blue Mountain and consulate staff, and at times other international officials. They were all very familiar with security at the consulate -- and said the staff seemed "complacent" and "didn't seem to follow the normal American way of securing a facility."

Both American and British sources say multiple roadblocks set up by fighters believed to be with Ansar al-Sharia were in place in Benghazi several hours before the 9:40 p.m. timeline and that communications also alluded to "heavily armed troops showing up with artillery." Fox News was told by both American and British contacts who were in Benghazi that night that the CIA timeline rolled out this past week is only "loosely based on the truth" and "doesn't quite add up."

Read more: Exclusive: Security officials on the ground in Libya challenge CIA account | Fox News
 
APACHERAT said:
There was no Carrier Strike Group on station in the 6th Fleet AOR which is the Mediterranean on 9-11-12.

There seems not to have been a Naval Amphibious Group on station in the Mediterranean on 9-11-12.

I do know there was a Arleigh Burke class destroyer in the Mediterranean. The Arlleigh Burk's are a good anti air defense platform and the Al Qaeda Air Force wouldn't have a chance. They (Arleigh Burke's have a strike capability with Tomahawk cruise missiles but not the best weapon of choice when Americans are "danger close." Now the destroyers 5"/54 gun could have saved the day and I'm pretty sure these two former Navy SEAL's could have spotted and got some 5" rounds on target.
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Plus the newer Burkes have not one but 2 Helicopters.....correct?
 
APACHERAT said:
Correct, the Arleigh Burke / Flight llA have two SH-60's helios on board.
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Did you see what the Brits had to say with some of this?

One former Special Op now employed by a private company in Benghazi said that even the safe room wasn't properly set up. He said "the safe room is one of the first measures you take" and that he is "not sure how you can set a safe room without fire suppression and ventilation in case of fire." He also said, "Ambassador Stevens would likely be alive today if this simple and normal procedure was put into place

British intelligence sources said that unarmed drones routinely flew over Benghazi every night in flight patterns and that armed drones which fly over chemical sites, some a short flight from Benghazi, "were always said to be on call." American sources confirmed this and questioned "why was a drone armed only with a camera dispatched?"

British sources on the ground in Benghazi said they are extremely frustrated by the attack and are still wondering why they weren't called for help. “We have more people on the ground here than the Americans and I just don't know why we didn't get the call?" one said.

Both American and British sources said, at the very least, the security situation on the ground and the lack of proper response were the result of "complete incompetence." The covert team that came in from Tripoli was held up at the Benghazi airport for more than three hours by Libyan officials. Sources said the team notified officials in Washington that they were being delayed within 30 minutes of their arrival.

They also point out that these questions "don't even address the military capabilities of our United Nations ally Turkey, who (has) forces available a similarly short flight away." Fox News has learned that Turkey had a number of embassy staff in town the night of the attack and that the Turkish consul general met with Ambassador Stevens in Benghazi the night he and the three other Americans were killed.

One source asked, "Were the Turks not warned? What forces were available from our ally Turkey? Especially since they had officials there in Benghazi also and had to be concerned … and where was the U.N. in all of this?"


Read more: Exclusive: Security officials on the ground in Libya challenge CIA account | Fox News
 
MMC said:
Did you see what the Brits had to say with some of this?

British intelligence sources said that unarmed drones routinely flew over Benghazi every night in flight patterns and that armed drones which fly over chemical sites, some a short flight from Benghazi, "were always said to be on call." American sources confirmed this and questioned "why was a drone armed only with a camera dispatched?"

British sources on the ground in Benghazi said they are extremely frustrated by the attack and are still wondering why they weren't called for help. “We have more people on the ground here than the Americans and I just don't know why we didn't get the call?" one said.

Both American and British sources said, at the very least, the security situation on the ground and the lack of proper response were the result of "complete incompetence." The covert team that came in from Tripoli was held up at the Benghazi airport for more than three hours by Libyan officials. Sources said the team notified officials in Washington that they were being delayed within 30 minutes of their arrival.
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Kinda confirms what I heard two weekends ago. A friend of mine has a friend who's part of the special operations community. I was just listening when he said that the British had their SAS people on the ground in Benghazi just a few klicks from the consulate when it was under attack. Supposedly the SAS contacted the American State Department asking them if they wanted them to respond and evacuate any Americans. There was no response from the State Department.

This "mistakes were made but no one made any mistakes" doesn't fly.

Obama as Cn'C is incompetent. Obama has surrounded himself with second rate incompetent people, including Hillery Clinton. I listen to these liberals say how great of a Secretary of State she was. Show me. The Middle East wasn't the basket case it is today four years ago. Four years ago Al Qaeda was confined to Yemen, the Horn of Africa and in northern areas of Pakistan. In the past four years under the Obama administration Al Qaeda can be found in almost every country in the Middle East and throughout North Africa.

Obama lying to the American people, telling them that "Osama bin Laden is dead, GM is alive and Al Qaeda is on the run." and almost 52 % of Americans believed this liar. For two weeks they blamed the attacks and murder in Benghazi on a video. There was a cover up, that the Obama administration didn't want the American people to know that Al Qaeda wasn't decimated but were actually running all over the Middle East and North Africa expanding their base of operations during the four years of the first Obama administration. Obama lied for his own political gain to get reelected. Now we find out that Al Qaeda is back in Iraq !
 
APACHERAT said:
Kinda confirms what I heard two weekends ago. A friend of mine has a friend who's part of the special operations community. I was just listening when he said that the British had their SAS people on the ground in Benghazi just a few klicks from the consulate when it was under attack. Supposedly the SAS contacted the American State Department asking them if they wanted them to respond and evacuate any Americans. There was no response from the State Department.

This "mistakes were made but no one made any mistakes" doesn't fly.

Obama as Cn'C is incompetent. Obama has surrounded himself with second rate incompetent people, including Hillery Clinton. I listen to these liberals say how great of a Secretary of State she was. Show me. The Middle East wasn't the basket case it is today four years ago. Four years ago Al Qaeda was confined to Yemen, the Horn of Africa and in northern areas of Pakistan. In the past four years under the Obama administration Al Qaeda can be found in almost every country in the Middle East and throughout North Africa.

Obama lying to the American people, telling them that "Osama bin Laden is dead, GM is alive and Al Qaeda is on the run." and almost 52 % of Americans believed this liar. For two weeks they blamed the attacks and murder in Benghazi on a video. There was a cover up, that the Obama administration didn't want the American people to know that Al Qaeda wasn't decimated but were actually running all over the Middle East and North Africa expanding their base of operations during the four years of the first Obama administration. Obama lied for his own political gain to get reelected. Now we find out that Al Qaeda is back in Iraq !
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There is no doubt that Obama's Foreign Policy is absolute failure. Moreover he was going to pivot us into the Asian theatre and now is getting us Bogged down with this chit in N. Africa. I mentioned before what about our Allies. As I knew I has the piece up on what some of the Brits were saying.

The same dweebs that were providing security for Benghazi are the same dweebs that hit us. It was the same militia. Even the Brits confirmed they were setting up road blocks. When our people broke for the CIA Annex, that's who was firing on them.

Which there is still the part about those 2 Ex Navy Seals fighting off the first wave. Leaving at least 30 -40 of the enemy laying all around the Consulate.

Do you see those pics from the Consulate and where the CIA Annex is?
 
APACHERAT said:
Obama would have been better off if he would have followed the Clinton administration of not having any foreign policy.
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The questions concerning General Ham's role in the September 11 events continue to percolate. Congressman Jason Chaffetz, Utah Republican, said that General Ham told him during a visit to Libya that he had never been asked to provide military support for the Americans under attack in Benghazi. Former United States Ambassador to the U.N. John R, Bolton also mentioned Mr. Chaffetz's account, and contrasted it with Mr. Panetta's statement that General Ham had been part of the team that made the decision not to send in forces. "General Ham has now been characterized in two obviously conflicting ways," Mr. Bolton concluded. "Somebody ought to find out what he actually was saying on September the eleventh."

No word yet on when General Ham's rotation or retirement take effect.....snip~

TRR: General at center of Benghazi-gate controversy retiring - Washington Times

Yeah and then Ham is out the Picture. After taking Command of AFRICOM in March of 2011.....yet now all of a sudden he is done. He had just taken command in Stugartt. I don't know to many Generals that walk into a Command thinking they will walk away in less than a year and a half. Do you?

Do those pics of the Consulate and the Annex show?
 
MMC said:
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No word yet on when General Ham's rotation or retirement take effect.....snip~

TRR: General at center of Benghazi-gate controversy retiring - Washington Times

Yeah and then Ham is out the Picture. After taking Command of AFRICOM in March of 2011.....yet now all of a sudden he is done. He had just taken command in Stugartt. I don't know to many Generals that walk into a Command thinking they will walk away in less than a year and a half. Do you?

Do those pics of the Consulate and the Annex show?
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I've been paying close attention for the past few years on how many flag officers and other officers in command have been either relieved of their commands or forced in to retirement.

The vast majority would be considered to be warriors while their replacements are political brown nosers.

One of the last remaining warriors in the top brass is the Marine Corps Commandant, Gen. Amos. I wonder if he's next on Obama's hit list ?

I get a list from the DoD of every promotion of Generals and Admirals when they are made and some of these decisions don't make any sense, as if they are political ???

We had the Marine Commander of all Marine Bases in Hawaii last year or so relieved of his command because PETA complained about goats and Obama had to appease PETA. Another Marine warrior who wins battles on the battlefield career ended in the name of political correctness.

The Navy has broken it's record under the Obama administration of having more naval commanders relieved of their commands than under any other administration except FDR's when FDR was relieving Generals and Admirals who were not warriors and replacing them with those who were willing to take the fight to the enemy.

Now some of these naval commanders who were relieved of their commands were for legitimate reasons. But what it really shows there's a problem and that problem may go beyond the Pentagon, like maybe the White House.


No, the pictures of the consulate and the CIA Annex don't show.
 
DiavoTheMiavo said:
And your point is that we should be outraged because it was a"Battle," and it lasted "8-hours." The fact they keep attacking us (although the prorated amount of attacks under Obama are way less than under Bush) is not a concern. The time it took in Benghazi, and that RPG's are not "Bombs" does. As I said . . . Kenya, Tanzania, and Benghazi . . . whats the commonality? You and I both know that answer. The difference between me and you? I don't blame Bush for increasing attacks against embassies two-fold in 8-years verse 50-years before he came in office. Cost of doing business when you want to build nations in the middle-east. So . . . how can we blame Obama? Do you think there was a magic button that brought in Seal Team Six in, in 1 . . . or maybe 2 . . . or maybe 3 . . . or maybe 4-hours?

Selective outrage. Be happy this doesn't happen monthly.
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The differences between us are more fundamental. I believe the commander in chief should lead. You do not. This was qualitatively different from the explosion of a car bomb. It used to astonish me that anyone would have to explain the difference between a terrorist attack that last a minute and one that lasts for nearly eight hours. It no longer does. Some people are willing to excuse anything for their tyrant.

There were many options open to the president. Special operators, if they happened to be nearby was but one of them. And yes, there are magic buttons that the president can push to make things happen. But only if the president is present for duty. The One did nothing.
 
I seriously doubt that any president ever elected...hasn't ran on lies, distortions, and deceptions. It's the nature of the beast. The citizens of our great nation have been are apparently still are gullible and politically ignorant...otherwise our political system and government wouldn't be so screwed up.

The massive cover up...is the voter's inability to take responsibility and accountability for our woes in government.
 
APACHERAT said:
Kinda confirms what I heard two weekends ago. A friend of mine has a friend who's part of the special operations community. I was just listening when he said that the British had their SAS people on the ground in Benghazi just a few klicks from the consulate when it was under attack. Supposedly the SAS contacted the American State Department asking them if they wanted them to respond and evacuate any Americans. There was no response from the State Department.

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OMG! No wonder they were attacked. So many loose lips in that community.
 
Top Cat said:
It doesn't rewrite history.
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Right.....as in this case it Marks History. A Stain forever in time.
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All on Team Obama's record and to go down in history as incompetents who had no clue what they were doing.
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