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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    More like we were stabbed in the back by liberals back on the streets in America while we were still on the battlefields of Vietnam.
    The liberals back then were also the war hawks. Johnson was the biggest war hawk of all. It wasn't conservatives vs liberals in as much as it was old vs young. The generation gap was a huge factor.

    To be more historically correct, most of the demonstration against the war in Vietnam wasn't really about the war but against the draft. When the draft ended, the demonstrations died out but the war continued for for another two years.
    Right because the draftees were YOUNG and right out of HS. They had their whole lives ahead of them and "no one wanted to be the last man to die in Vietnam."

    There were the political left activist including the (New Left) in Congress who opposed the war in Vietnam, but they actually opposed the United States winning the war in Vietnam.

    Should be noted that when the last American combat forces departed the RVN in 1973, every province with in the RVN was left in control of ARVAN forces. They would lose control of Vietnam when the Democrats in Congress in 1975 cut off all funding to South Vietnam. That's when NVA tanks rolled across the DMZ and it's pretty hard to stop an invading army when ARVAN troops were having their ammunition rationed at three rounds per day.
    The Pentagon Papers, Kent State and My Lai finally turned the public against the war. No doubt the way the US withdrew and the last flights out of Hanoi left an indelible mark on a lot of people, especially conservatives. I suspect they wanted to prove they could do it right the second time with Iraq. But the end results were same. Thats twice in my lifetime that our country has been misled into war. I will never doubt the power of propaganda to mislead a country into war again.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Thanks for backing up my point, Apacherat. But just so you know, the Democrats of 60's and 70's became the NeoCons of the 1980's to present....which according to your logic, helps to explain why the GOP are kicking and screaming as we progress into the new millenium.
    The original liberals of the Democrat Party left the Democrat Party starting in the Vietnam War and throughout the 1970's and many, not all but most came under the GOP tent and they would be called neoconservatives. Ronald Reagan surrounded himself with many liberals known as neoconservatives.

    Those from the fringe of the radical left known as "The New Left" back in the late 60's and early 70's would hide under the label as liberals. When they dirtied that label they would hide under the label of progressives.

    When the fringe of the radical left started to gain control of the Democrat Party during the late 60's and early 70's they wanted to surrender and refuse to fight the Cold War and stop Communist expansion throughout the world.

    There was one "New Left" Congressman who actually wanted Gen. Westmoreland to surrender on the battlefield to Gen. Giap.

    The original liberals of the Democrat Party during the 1940's, 50's, 60's were anti Communist. And the neo-cons just like most liberals support nation building while most conservatives don't support nation building. Conservatives have always been some what isolationist. America NUMBER ONE. Nationalism. Where as the neoconservative had no problem using our military for nation building.

    The neoconservative movement in America was born when the fringe of the radical left (internationalist socialist) gained control of the Democrat Party. By 1976 they controlled the Democrat Party. Even Jimmy Carter couldn't deal with his own political Party.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I concur, eventually the hybrids and all electric cars will be perfected. It will probably be twenty or thirty years before we see it.

    In 2003 / 2004 the U.S. military started to mess around with hybrid HUMMVES. The problem was in combat conditions they over heated. It may be the military industrial complex that perfects the hybrid and all electric vehicles. But no way was G.W. Bush was going to force the military to use a unperfected technology in combat where it leads to American soldiers being killed. Can't say the same with the current Cn'C.
    Right, too bad the Humvees weren't armored and the troops didn't have flack jackets and the water caused cancer, but hey, getting shot at is fun. Rumsfeld was trying to make a leaner, meaner military but instead he made it the war longer and got a lot of troops killed and maimed from his incompetence and negligence. It didn't have to be that way.

    "You don't go to war with the military you wish you had, you go with the one you have." - Don Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense.

    Myself, I prefer a big gas guzzling internal combustion engine with two leaking Holley four barrel carburetors under the hood of thee thousand pounds of steel. Have to have over 425 H.P and a lot of torque. Feel sorry for today's kids, they have never been behind the wheel of a muscle car. And you have to be a technician to work on today's engines !
    "Muscle cars", now that brings back a few memories. lol

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Incoming.....

    White House to give senators Benghazi documents.....

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House has agreed to give the Senate Intelligence Committee documents related to the attack on a U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, a congressional aide said Friday.

    Republicans had demanded the documents as a condition of voting on the nomination of John Brennan to be CIA director.

    The documents include emails between top national security officials showing the debate within the administration over how to describe the attack and other documents the committee had been asking for, the aide said. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

    Republicans accused the administration of an election-year cover-up of an act of terrorism and repeatedly pressed for more information about the attack. An independent review that faulted the State Department and led to four employees being relieved of their duties failed to placate GOP lawmakers. They demanded testimony from former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, who spent more than five hours before two congressional panels, and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey about the military's response to the attack.....snip~

    White House to give senators Benghazi documents

    Looks like we may have some more answers course if they can get those emails without Team Obama deleting anything.....that is.

    Btw would anyone know what the Travel time from Washington DC to Los Angeles is?

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Apache, FYI I was not even born when the Vietnam war was going on.

    And in case you don't know. The whole "political enemy at home stabing the army in the back" arguement was used by the nazi's in their propaganda to make the people of Germany believe that it was Jewish politicans that betrayed the army.
    So whoever is critical of Liberals is a Nazi?

    More leftist rubbish.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    No. Did you read the comments below the article I posted? Everyone who drives a Chevy Volt seems to love them and say they're fun to drive. Of course they also say there's some minor kinks but everyone seems to understand that it's a fairly new technology and if given a chance can only get better as time goes on. I wish I'd thought about leasing one, before I bought the clunker I have now.
    What are you getting for a used Chevy volt these days?

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What are you getting for a used Chevy volt these days?
    Heya Grant Check this out.....from a Navy Seal he had blogged on Newsmax.

    Only President Can Give ‘Cross-Border Authority’.....

    The Benghazi debacle boils down to a single key factor — the granting or withholding of “cross-border authority.” This opinion is informed by my experience as a Navy SEAL officer who took a NavSpecWar Detachment to Beirut.

    Once the alarm is sent – in this case, from the consulate in Benghazi — dozens of HQs are notified and are in the planning loop in real time, including AFRICOM and EURCOM, both located in Germany. Without waiting for specific orders from Washington, they begin planning and executing rescue operations, including moving personnel, ships, and aircraft forward toward the location of the crisis. However, there is one thing they can’t do without explicit orders from the president: cross an international border on a hostile mission.

    That is the clear “red line” in this type of a crisis situation.


    We can be 100% certain that cross-border authority was never given. How do I know this? Because if CBA was granted and the rescue mission execute orders were handed down, irrefutable records exist today in at least a dozen involved component commands, and probably many more. No general or admiral will risk being hung out to dry for undertaking a mission-gone-wrong that the POTUS later disavows ordering, and instead blames on “loose cannons” or “rogue officers” exceeding their authority. No general or admiral will order U.S. armed forces to cross an international border on a hostile mission unless and until he is certain that the National Command Authority, in the person of the POTUS and his chain of command, has clearly and explicitly given that order: verbally at the outset, but thereafter in written orders and official messages. If they exist, they could be produced today.

    When it comes to granting cross-border authority, there are no presidential mumblings or musings to paraphrase or decipher. If you hear confusion over parsed statements given as an excuse for Benghazi, then you are hearing lies. I am sure that hundreds of active-duty military officers know all about the Benghazi execute orders (or the lack thereof), and I am impatiently waiting for one of them to come forward to risk his career and pension as a whistleblower.

    Leon Panetta is falling on his sword for President Obama with his absurd-on-its-face, “the U.S. military doesn’t do risky things”-defense of his shameful no-rescue policy. Panetta is utterly destroying his reputation. General Dempsey joins Panetta on the same sword with his tacit agreement by silence. But why? How far does loyalty extend when it comes to covering up gross dereliction of duty by the president?

    General Petraeus, however, has indirectly blown the whistle. He was probably “used” in some way early in the cover-up with the purported CIA intel link to the Mohammed video, and now he feels burned. So he conclusively said via his public affairs officer that the stand-down order did not come from the CIA. Well — what outranks the CIA? Only the national security team at the White House. That means President Obama, and nobody else. Petraeus is naming Obama without naming him. If that is not quite as courageous as blowing a whistle, it is far better than the disgraceful behavior of Panetta and Dempsey.

    We do not know the facts for certain, but we do know that the rescue mission stand-down issue revolves around the granting or withholding of cross-border authority, which belongs only to President Obama. More than one hundred gung-ho Force Recon Marines were waiting on the tarmac in Sigonella, just two hours away for the launch order that never came.....snip~

    PJ Media » Benghazi’s Smoking Gun? Only President Can Give

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I'm not moving the goalposts. You are avoiding the question. So, again, what precisely are your expectations? What specific actions do you believe the President should have taken. I'm sick of seeing people whine about it without saying specifically what they think he should have done. Aside from planting his ass in a chair in the Situation room; what specific actions do you think he should have taken?
    Oh, I think planting his ass in the Situation Room would've been a mighty fine start. Great photo op too.

    President Obama doesn't appear to have done anything. Secretary of State Clinton appears to have done nothing. Whatever the right thing to have done is, they didn't do it.

    If State is so big and complicated that what the Ambassador was saying months before was "lost," then somebody wasn't doing her job. Libya requires attention.

    Report: Ambassador Stevens Said He Was on an Al-Qaeda Hit List - Yahoo! News

    At best, in my opinion, this is, at the least, gross incompetence and a craven attempt to cover it up because of the upcoming election. And because he's been mentioned earlier in this thread and referred to as a "doddering old man," I think a President McCain would have been hands-on and upfront with the American people.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    If nothing else, those on the right are predictable. Someone beats you twice, set fire to them in a witch hunt.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Oh, I think planting his ass in the Situation Room would've been a mighty fine start. Great photo op too.

    President Obama doesn't appear to have done anything. Secretary of State Clinton appears to have done nothing. Whatever the right thing to have done is, they didn't do it.

    If State is so big and complicated that what the Ambassador was saying months before was "lost," then somebody wasn't doing her job. Libya requires attention.

    Report: Ambassador Stevens Said He Was on an Al-Qaeda Hit List - Yahoo! News

    At best, in my opinion, this is, at the least, gross incompetence and a craven attempt to cover it up because of the upcoming election. And because he's been mentioned earlier in this thread and referred to as a "doddering old man," I think a President McCain would have been hands-on and upfront with the American people.
    This man knows a great deal of the subject and is worth a read. The Rape of Christopher Stevens | Raymond Ibrahim

    http://www.raymondibrahim.com/
    Last edited by Grant; 02-23-13 at 12:40 PM.

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