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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    So where were you during the Vietnam war ?

    I've been involved in a thirty year research project, not on the strategy or tactics or the mistakes made during the Vietnam war but who was responsible for getting America involved in a shooting war in the Republic of Vietnam. All I need just one more big dump by the CIA, the last one being in 2006.

    I have about a dozen boxes of research material, interviews, declassified records, interviews of Gen. Giap all in French. Lets just say it wasn't Eisenhower or LBJ. Many of those who were responsible would become some of the biggest anti war activist during the late 60's and early 70's.
    Apache, FYI I was not even born when the Vietnam war was going on.

    And in case you don't know. The whole "political enemy at home stabing the army in the back" arguement was used by the nazi's in their propaganda to make the people of Germany believe that it was Jewish politicans that betrayed the army.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

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    Haha, it's funny you say that. I was walking downstairs to get a beer and I was just thinking the same thing. I am looking forward to the future, because, try as they might, even the republicans cannot stop some of the great infrastructure and technological advances that are headed our way.
    Almost all of those technological advancements were directly from defense spending and the military industrial complex. The Internet was created for the U.S. Air Force so their C&CC could communicate with it's ICBM missile silos during a nuclear war. The profits that were being made by the defense industry during the Vietnam War was being diverted to the R&D of the internet. Cell phones, cordless drill, those batteries found in a Chevy Volt, tubeless tires, the Boeing 707, 747, satellite television, GPS, lithium batteries, and the list is long, just look around you.

    If the liberal Democrats would have prevailed in Congress back in the 60's, 70's and 80's none of these technical advances would have never happened.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Apache, FYI I was not even born when the Vietnam war was going on.

    And in case you don't know. The whole "political enemy at home stabing the army in the back" arguement was used by the nazi's in their propaganda to make the people of Germany believe that it was Jewish politicans that betrayed the army.
    I thought it was the Jewish bankers.

    Remember that e-mail I sent you the other day ? Next year the big British dump begins. The next five years may rewrite history. The British government is worried.

    In my opinion, the First World War was one of the stupidest wars ever fought. But it did accomplish one thing, it ended the European aristocratic society.

    But wouldn't you agree that the Second World War in Europe was just a continuation of the First World War ?

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Almost all of those technological advancements were directly from defense spending and the military industrial complex. The Internet was created for the U.S. Air Force so their C&CC could communicate with it's ICBM missile silos during a nuclear war. The profits that were being made by the defense industry during the Vietnam War was being diverted to the R&D of the internet. Cell phones, cordless drill, those batteries found in a Chevy Volt, tubeless tires, the Boeing 707, 747, satellite television, GPS, lithium batteries, and the list is long, just look around you.

    If the liberal Democrats would have prevailed in Congress back in the 60's, 70's and 80's none of these technical advances would have never happened.
    Yes, the military has helped innovate many utile things. Great point. Now back to the discussion...
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Did you see that thread down below on the worse cars ever made ?
    No. Did you read the comments below the article I posted? Everyone who drives a Chevy Volt seems to love them and say they're fun to drive. Of course they also say there's some minor kinks but everyone seems to understand that it's a fairly new technology and if given a chance can only get better as time goes on. I wish I'd thought about leasing one, before I bought the clunker I have now.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

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    The Navy likes the green fuel. It was an experiment to see if biofuels would operate the war planes and ships in order to help make the US less dependent on foreign oil for our national security. The experiment worked and now they plan to start helping private industry create the fuel so by the end of the decade the green fuel cost will be competitive with oil. I like people who can think ahead.
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    The Navy don't like green fuel. Those in the Navy who are defending spending $26 per gallon for fuel are just saying what they have been ordered to say. You should know how the military works. Every once in awhile you'll come across a Gen. Billy Mitchel, Chesty Puller, Douglas MacArthur, McCHrystal who have a pair and are willing to tell the truth on record.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Almost all of those technological advancements were directly from defense spending and the military industrial complex. The Internet was created for the U.S. Air Force so their C&CC could communicate with it's ICBM missile silos during a nuclear war. The profits that were being made by the defense industry during the Vietnam War was being diverted to the R&D of the internet. Cell phones, cordless drill, those batteries found in a Chevy Volt, tubeless tires, the Boeing 707, 747, satellite television, GPS, lithium batteries, and the list is long, just look around you.

    If the liberal Democrats would have prevailed in Congress back in the 60's, 70's and 80's none of these technical advances would have never happened.
    Thanks for backing up my point, Apacherat. But just so you know, the Democrats of 60's and 70's became the NeoCons of the 1980's to present....which according to your logic, helps to explain why the GOP are kicking and screaming as we progress into the new millenium.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The Navy don't like green fuel. Those in the Navy who are defending spending $26 per gallon for fuel are just saying what they have been ordered to say. You should know how the military works. Every once in awhile you'll come across a Gen. Billy Mitchel, Chesty Puller, Douglas MacArthur, McCHrystal who have a pair and are willing to tell the truth on record.
    But if you're a military man thinking about future defense and national security, you don't want to be dependent on your enemy for your fuel source in order to run your defense and war machines now do you? In this case, I think the military knows what they're talking about more than a few congressmen do.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    If that is their excuse for inaction then neither is a suitable selection for the job.

    They had many options open to them and they chose none of them.

    In addition to aircraft carriers we have the ability to launch aircraft from land based airports (commonly called airbases). When it is important Italy is about two flying hours away.

    A destroyer was nearby. Italy was nearby. Aircraft an do amazing things when we call upon them.

    Earlier you referenced Sun Tzu. Was that a throw-away reference or do you understand the art of war in theory and in operation? If it was a throw-away reference you are to be forgiven. If you understand the art of war then you will recognize that conducting operations iss a means of developing situational awareness.

    Intelligence is the starting point. One does not wait to do anything while waiting for better intelligence. One develops the situation through operations. One sets many options in motion, develops the situation and violently executes operations based on the information one has.

    One does not abandon four Americans to be murdered because of a "lack of intelligence". One might because of a lack of will or a lack of courage or for political purposes.

    Politics, of course. Obama, the One, had told us that Bin Laden was dead (is there any proof of that) and Al Qaeda was on the run. It would not do for us to know the truth. So Obama went and hid for eight hours, creating his Benghazi Massacre.

    I suppose if the truth matters very little then I suppose it makes no difference.

    The lie was that this attack on the consulate in Benghazi was nothing more than a protest. The lie was that there was nothing to be done. It was a very big lie and it worked. You bought it. And despite overwhelming evidence you still do.

    When the truth doesn't really matter than lies are just as good as the truth.
    If you like the truth so much, then why don't you try using it sometime?



    ".....The Pentagon had no forces that could be readily sent to Benghazi when the crisis unfolded. The closest AC-130 gunship was in Afghanistan. There are no armed drones thought to be within range of Libya. There was no Marine expeditionary unit — a large seaborne force with its own helicopters — in the Mediterranean Sea. The Africa Command, whose area of operation includes North Africa, also did not have on hand its own force able to respond rapidly to emergencies — a Commanders’ In-Extremis Force, or C.I.F. Every other regional command had one at the time.....<snip>.....

    The United States military’s best-trained team to extract diplomats under fire — Delta Force commandos — was half a world away, in Fort Bragg, N.C. “What this report shows is that we need a fundamental rethink of the problem,” said one senior Pentagon official who has spent considerable time examining the issue of protecting American diplomats since the attack in September. “It’s not the military’s job to protect diplomats; it’s the host government’s. But in the absence of a real government, we never asked the question, ‘So how do we do this?’ ”

    But as the military budget declines, some ranking officers are wary about taking on new commitments, even ones that involve protecting Americans.

    “It is not reasonable nor feasible to tether U.S. forces at the ready to respond to protect every high-risk post in the world,” Mike Mullen, the retired admiral and former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who served as vice chairman of the independent review, said Wednesday.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/us...port.html?_r=0

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    No. Did you read the comments below the article I posted? Everyone who drives a Chevy Volt seems to love them and say they're fun to drive. Of course they also say there's some minor kinks but everyone seems to understand that it's a fairly new technology and if given a chance can only get better as time goes on. I wish I'd thought about leasing one, before I bought the clunker I have now.
    I concur, eventually the hybrids and all electric cars will be perfected. It will probably be twenty or thirty years before we see it.

    In 2003 / 2004 the U.S. military started to mess around with hybrid HUMMVES. The problem was in combat conditions they over heated. It may be the military industrial complex that perfects the hybrid and all electric vehicles. But no way was G.W. Bush was going to force the military to use a unperfected technology in combat where it leads to American soldiers being killed. Can't say the same with the current Cn'C.

    Myself, I prefer a big gas guzzling internal combustion engine with two leaking Holley four barrel carburetors under the hood of thee thousand pounds of steel. Have to have over 425 H.P and a lot of torque. Feel sorry for today's kids, they have never been behind the wheel of a muscle car. And you have to be a technician to work on today's engines !

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