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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    Yes . . . you speak for the families. If you are family member excuse my response . . . if not . . . selective outrage.
    I do not speak for the families, and just who is outraged?

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There's no question as to what he didn't do. He didn't try to save the men the Community Organizer in Chief is responsible for.
    So, once again, you criticize the President without having a clue as to what specific actions he should have taken.


    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You believe that? Then you will believe anything. Did they who this 'intelligence' was from???
    I never said the CIA isn't the most worthless agency in existence.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    So? Vietnam was ended by protests from both sides. "Hell no, we won't go."
    More like we were stabbed in the back by liberals back on the streets in America while we were still on the battlefields of Vietnam.

    To be more historically correct, most of the demonstration against the war in Vietnam wasn't really about the war but against the draft. When the draft ended, the demonstrations died out but the war continued for for another two years.

    There were the political left activist including the (New Left) in Congress who opposed the war in Vietnam, but they actually opposed the United States winning the war in Vietnam.

    Should be noted that when the last American combat forces departed the RVN in 1973, every province with in the RVN was left in control of ARVAN forces. They would lose control of Vietnam when the Democrats in Congress in 1975 cut off all funding to South Vietnam. That's when NVA tanks rolled across the DMZ and it's pretty hard to stop an invading army when ARVAN troops were having their ammunition rationed at three rounds per day.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    So? The war hawks didn't shrivel up and die after the end of Vietnam. They got tired of Carter's passive ways and found a new schmuck they could manipulate in Reagan.
    And what did 'they' manipulate Reagan into doing?
    The NeoCons. All the people at AEI and Heritage and Irving and Bill Kristol, Jean Kirkpatric, James Woolsey, Richard Perle, Scooter Libbey, Frank Gaffney, Michael Ledeen, Lynn Cheney, Robert Kagan, Max Boot, John R. Bolton, Elliot Abrams, Randy Scheunemann, Paul Wolfowitz, Norman Podhoretz, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Daniel Bell, Robert Kaplan, Niall Ferguson, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, .....
    And these are the people who 'manipulated' Ronald Reagan? David Frum, among many others on you list, would be surprised to hear that.

    "...So why did we invade Iraq? I believe it was the triumph of the so-called neo-conservative ideology, as well as Bush administration arrogance and incompetence that took America into this war of choice. . . . They obviously made a convincing case to a president with very limited national security and foreign policy experience, who keenly felt the burden of leading the nation in the wake of the deadliest terrorist attack ever on American soil." - Senator Chuck Hagel
    You're a big Chuck Hagel fan, are you?

    Vietnam was ended by protests from both sides. "Hell no, we won't go."
    The Vietnam War was started by a Democrat President, enlarged by a Democratic President, and ended by a Republican President. That's history and you're stuck with it.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    So, once again, you criticize the President without having a clue as to what specific actions he should have taken.
    I never said the CIA isn't the most worthless agency in existence.
    Could you clarify that please?

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    More like we were stabbed in the back by liberals back on the streets in America while we were still on the battlefields of Vietnam.
    Apache, don't you realize that this argument was used before, under different context, and it ended up causing a disaster.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I remember that argument when they tried to blame the Republicans in Congress. But as usual the left and the White House got caught again.

    KELLY: Libya security cut while Vienna embassy gained Chevy Volts
    Examining the State Department’s misplaced green priorities


    >" In a May 3, 2012, email, the State Department denied a request by a group of Special Forces assigned to protect the U.S. embassy in Libya to continue their use of a DC- 3 airplane for security operations throughout the country.

    The subject line of the email, on which slain Ambassador Chris Stevens was copied, read: “Termination of Tripoli DC-3 Support.”

    Four days later, on May 7, the State Department authorized the U.S. embassy in Vienna to purchase a $108,000 electric vehicle charging station for the embassy motor pool’s new Chevrolet Volts. The purchase was a part of the State Department’s “Energy Efficiency Sweep of Europe” initiative, which included hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on green program expenditures at various U.S. Embassies.

    In fact, at a May 10 gala held at the U.S. embassy in Vienna, the ambassador showcased his new Volts and other green investments as part of the U.S. government’s commitment to “climate change solutions.”

    The event posting on the embassy website read: “Celebrating the Greening of the Embassy.”

    While the embassy in Vienna was going green, the consulate in Benghazi was getting bombed, and little was done to stop it. "<
    Read more: KELLY: Libya security cut while Vienna embassy gained Chevy Volts - Washington Times
    And heads rolled....
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/us...port.html?_r=0

    Btw, it says here the Chevy Volt gets over a 1,000 miles before needing a recharge and 30 to 50 mpg on gas. Thats not bad. Like any new technology, it's expensive at first. I suspect the horse and buggy crowd thought the Model-T was too expensive as well. But leasing makes the car competitively priced for average drivers....

    98 mpge (3.5 kwh/10 miles)
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    2013 Chevrolet Volt Quick Spin


    Awhile back I listened to a group of Marine FA-18 pilots complaining that under the Obama administration they are only able to fly 2 or 3 of the 5 schedual flight training missions because the lack of funding for fuel for there aircradft. While Obama has ordered the Navy to pay $26 per gallon for green fuel to power their ships and aircraft instead of the normal fuel that cost less than $4. per gallon. When you talking about fueling a ship, you not dealing with gallons or even barrels of fuel but tens of hundreds of tons of fuel.

    >" The U.S. Navy has started going green under the direction of Obama’s Secretary of the Navy Roy Mabus. They started using a special “green fuel” for their “Great Green Fleet,” which will be tested this month while completing its Rim of the Pacific exercise. Unfortunately, this green project already reflects the worst aspects of the Obama Administration’s green agenda. The fuel being used by the “Great Green Fleet” is colossal waste of taxpayer money.

    The standard aviation fuel used by the Navy $3.60 a gallon. The “green fuel,” made from things like algae, chicken fat, and seeds, costs $26 a gallon. Rob Port of Say Anything Blog further highlights the absurdity of the Navy’s “green fuel” project: "< -> U.S. Navy Going Green, Spending Extra 622% to Use Chicken Fat Fuel - Townhall.com Staff
    The Navy likes the green fuel. It was an experiment to see if biofuels would operate the war planes and ships in order to help make the US less dependent on foreign oil for our national security. The experiment worked and now they plan to start helping private industry create the fuel so by the end of the decade the green fuel cost will be competitive with oil. I like people who can think ahead.

    Defense officials defend Great Green Fleet cost | Reuters


    It's funny how we have to put up with the kicking and screaming in order to advance into the 21st century.
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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It's funny how we have to put up with the kicking and screaming in order to advance into the 21st century.
    Haha, it's funny you say that. I was walking downstairs to get a beer and I was just thinking the same thing. I am looking forward to the future, because, try as they might, even the republicans cannot stop some of the great infrastructure and technological advances that are headed our way.
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Apache, don't you realize that this argument was used before, under different context, and it ended up causing a disaster.
    So where were you during the Vietnam war ?

    I've been involved in a thirty year research project, not on the strategy or tactics or the mistakes made during the Vietnam war but who was responsible for getting America involved in a shooting war in the Republic of Vietnam. All I need just one more big dump by the CIA, the last one being in 2006.

    I have about a dozen boxes of research material, interviews, declassified records, interviews of Gen. Giap all in French. Lets just say it wasn't Eisenhower or LBJ. Many of those who were responsible would become some of the biggest anti war activist during the late 60's and early 70's.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Btw, it says here the Chevy Volt gets over a 1,000 miles before needing a recharge and 30 to 50 mpg on gas. Thats not bad. Like any new technology, it's expensive at first. I suspect the horse and buggy crowd thought the Model-T was too expensive as well. But leasing makes the car competitively priced for average drivers....

    98 mpge (3.5 kwh/10 miles)
    37 mpg Gas
    .
    Did you see that thread down below on the worse cars ever made ?

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