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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    They are well on their way to permanent status as a minority party and their obstruction is a big reason. Since when is the people's will tyranny?
    Actually the peoples' will has always been tyranny.

    The Republican party may be on it s way out. They do not represent me, as a conservative. Establishment Republicans are little better than Democrat-lite. Still, the Marxist must be obstructed and the minority party carries that burden.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    She did that during the hearing and if I recall she said that congress had underfunded the State Department and refused to fund for more security at the embassies.

    Short of giving a direct order to do everything possible to help the personell under attack at Benghazi, what else would you have the president do?
    I remember that argument when they tried to blame the Republicans in Congress. But as usual the left and the White House got caught again.

    KELLY: Libya security cut while Vienna embassy gained Chevy Volts
    Examining the State Department’s misplaced green priorities


    >" In a May 3, 2012, email, the State Department denied a request by a group of Special Forces assigned to protect the U.S. embassy in Libya to continue their use of a DC- 3 airplane for security operations throughout the country.

    The subject line of the email, on which slain Ambassador Chris Stevens was copied, read: “Termination of Tripoli DC-3 Support.”

    Four days later, on May 7, the State Department authorized the U.S. embassy in Vienna to purchase a $108,000 electric vehicle charging station for the embassy motor pool’s new Chevrolet Volts. The purchase was a part of the State Department’s “Energy Efficiency Sweep of Europe” initiative, which included hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on green program expenditures at various U.S. Embassies.

    In fact, at a May 10 gala held at the U.S. embassy in Vienna, the ambassador showcased his new Volts and other green investments as part of the U.S. government’s commitment to “climate change solutions.”

    The event posting on the embassy website read: “Celebrating the Greening of the Embassy.”

    While the embassy in Vienna was going green, the consulate in Benghazi was getting bombed, and little was done to stop it. "<



    Read more: KELLY: Libya security cut while Vienna embassy gained Chevy Volts - Washington Times


    Awhile back I listened to a group of Marine FA-18 pilots complaining that under the Obama administration they are only able to fly 2 or 3 of the 5 schedual flight training missions because the lack of funding for fuel for there aircradft. While Obama has ordered the Navy to pay $26 per gallon for green fuel to power their ships and aircraft instead of the normal fuel that cost less than $4. per gallon. When you talking about fueling a ship, you not dealing with gallons or even barrels of fuel but tens of hundreds of tons of fuel.

    >" The U.S. Navy has started going green under the direction of Obama’s Secretary of the Navy Roy Mabus. They started using a special “green fuel” for their “Great Green Fleet,” which will be tested this month while completing its Rim of the Pacific exercise. Unfortunately, this green project already reflects the worst aspects of the Obama Administration’s green agenda. The fuel being used by the “Great Green Fleet” is colossal waste of taxpayer money.

    The standard aviation fuel used by the Navy $3.60 a gallon. The “green fuel,” made from things like algae, chicken fat, and seeds, costs $26 a gallon. Rob Port of Say Anything Blog further highlights the absurdity of the Navy’s “green fuel” project: "< -> U.S. Navy Going Green, Spending Extra 622% to Use Chicken Fat Fuel - Townhall.com Staff

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Gen. Dempsy and Panetta both stressed they didn't have enough intelligence on the ground to know what was going on at the consolate in order to respond. Why don't you believe them? Do you really believe they wanted Amb. Stevens and others to die?
    If that is their excuse for inaction then neither is a suitable selection for the job.

    They had many options open to them and they chose none of them.

    As far as I can tell there weren't any aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean Sea or anywhere near Libya. Which is probably why Panetta kept saying they couldn't respond in time because of the distance.
    In addition to aircraft carriers we have the ability to launch aircraft from land based airports (commonly called airbases). When it is important Italy is about two flying hours away.

    "......This is a standard complement of Navy forces in the sea, and as of now, the Navy is not moving ships to Libya in response to the crisis. There are no aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean at present...."
    Marines Head to Libya After Mob Kills Ambassador | Danger Room | Wired.com

    Snapshot of U.S. warships sent to Libya | UTSanDiego.com
    A destroyer was nearby. Italy was nearby. Aircraft an do amazing things when we call upon them.

    Earlier you referenced Sun Tzu. Was that a throw-away reference or do you understand the art of war in theory and in operation? If it was a throw-away reference you are to be forgiven. If you understand the art of war then you will recognize that conducting operations iss a means of developing situational awareness.

    But that was the intel they had at the time.
    Intelligence is the starting point. One does not wait to do anything while waiting for better intelligence. One develops the situation through operations. One sets many options in motion, develops the situation and violently executes operations based on the information one has.

    One does not abandon four Americans to be murdered because of a "lack of intelligence". One might because of a lack of will or a lack of courage or for political purposes.


    What purpose would Rice have for lying about the attack?
    Politics, of course. Obama, the One, had told us that Bin Laden was dead (is there any proof of that) and Al Qaeda was on the run. It would not do for us to know the truth. So Obama went and hid for eight hours, creating his Benghazi Massacre.

    What difference does it make if the terrorists attacked because of a video or 9/11 or revenge for some cleric?
    I suppose if the truth matters very little then I suppose it makes no difference.

    It doesn't change the fact that it was a well co-ordinated, planned attack or that people were killed or that without intelligence from the ground the response would still have been the same regardless of the terrorists motive.
    The lie was that this attack on the consulate in Benghazi was nothing more than a protest. The lie was that there was nothing to be done. It was a very big lie and it worked. You bought it. And despite overwhelming evidence you still do.

    I don't know, did Rice ever say who sent her out on the talk shows? I think she was just relaying information that was available at the time about a fluid and ongoing situtation. I've read several articles from the first day or two after the attack and they were all pretty much saying the same the thing that Susan Rice did. I really don't think what she did was that big of deal, at least not when compared to the months of misinformation and outright lies we were told during the buildup to the Iraq invasion.
    When the truth doesn't really matter than lies are just as good as the truth.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Olsen was the first member of the Obama administration to publicly describe the Libya assault explicitly as a "terrorist attack," at a hearing more than a week after the attack, though Obama had spoken earlier more generally about the U.S. response to "acts of terror."

    Republicans, who control the House, have accused Obama officials of downplaying the attack's terrorist nature to maintain an administration narrative that Al Qaeda is on the run. Officials initially suggested an anti-Islam video produced in the United States had motivated the attack, which U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice said five days later appeared to be "spontaneous" violence after a protest escalated.

    But further investigation revealed no protest outside the consulate on the night of the attack, and the attackers are thought to be members of Ansar al-Sharia, a group that isn't directly affiliated with Al Qaeda but sympathizes with its anti-Western goals. It remains unclear how long the attackers had been planning their strike and whether they were motivated by outrage over the video.

    The Obama administration also has faced questions about why it didn't do more to protect the consulate and the ambassador, especially in light of evidence that requests earlier this year for security improvements either were denied or never followed up on.

    Other evidence suggests U.S. officials were aware in the days before the attack that extremists were a growing threat in Libya and that the consulate could not withstand a coordinated attack.....snip~

    House panel invites Clinton to testify at Libya hearing | Fox News

    From when the House Panel asked Clinton to Testify. One minute they know and then the next they don't know.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Anti-Al Qaeda Libyans reveal Obama administration helped Al-Qaeda in Benghazi.....

    Walid Shoebat, a former Muslim Brotherhood member now peace activist broke news Saturday night that anti-Al Qaeda Libyans living in exile are in possession of highly classified documents that reveal Obama and his administration’s involvement with Al-Qaeda in Libya, more than what has been previously known.

    The anti-Al Qaeda Libyans told Shoebat in reference to Obama’s statements that Al-Qaeda had been destroyed that Obama had gift-wrapped Libya, handed it over to Al-Qaeda, and that they can prove it.

    The group plans to turn over the countless documents an intelligence to the National Center For Intelligence and Counter-Terrorism

    “We have come into the possession of an array of records obtained from top-level sources inside the Libyan government,” the anti-Al Qaeda Libyans said. “They include passports of Al-Qaeda operatives and identifications of terrorists from many nations—Chad, Egypt and Pakistan to name a few—which are now all camped in Libya as they enter by crossing borders guarded and managed officially by what they called “government appointed Al-Qaeda leaders.”

    If these statements are true, then the news report that was conveyed on October 25, 2012, stating that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had ordered more security at the U.S. mission in Benghazi before it was attacked and Obama denied the request, the anti-Al Qaeda Libyans seemed to have confirmed such allegations against Obama and his administration along with the Libyan government.

    Shoebat’s information also collaborates the statements from former CIA officer, Clare Lopez when she said, “This has to be made known to the public. That this is going on and that our administration was not only working with the bad guys – was working with Al-Qaeda linked militias and Jihadi’s to overthrow Assad in Syria but that they let our mission go down.”

    Shoebat also brought up known terrorist, Abdul Hakim Belhaj who became the leader of the Libyan rebel forces to oust Gadhafi, and is the founder of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group and had close ties Al-Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Belhaj at one time was captured and spent time in U.S. custody at Guantanamo Bay and according to Shoebat, the Obama administration allowed him into Libya during the war to oust Gaddafi and supported his [Belhaj] leadership.

    To make matters worse, news broke today on Fox News by Bret Baier that CBS’ news program 60 Minutes withheld information on Obama’s statements about Benghazi until now, thereby adding to the suspicion that certain media outlets are protecting Obama instead of reporting the connections between Al-Qaeda and the Obama administration as well as the failures in Benghazi.

    Fox News and independent news organizations are the only media outlets in the U.S. taking the issue of the tragedy in Benghazi, Libya seriously.

    “The Obama administration is knowingly supporting Al-Qaeda control in Libya and North Africa. Today, Libya is in a state of complete anarchy. There is no law and order, militias and gangs of terrorists control the cities. The Government of Libya installed by Obama is Al-Qaeda. The perpetrators of the 9/11/01 attacks are now in control of the largest oil-producing nation in Africa and Obama handed it to them,” said Shoebat.

    Anti-Al Qaeda Libyans reveal Obama administration helped Al-Qaeda in Benghazi - Atlanta Paulding County Republican | Examiner.com

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    There were two attacks and they were hours apart. The first attack was on the consulate compound and confusion arose when no could find or contact Amb. Stevens. Why? Because he was already dead. They couldn't see that with the drone.
    There was one battle. If it makes you feel better to think of it as two attacks that is okay with me. It changes nothing. Or, it makes it worse.

    Later a contingency team in an armored vehicle was sent in to evacuate remaining personal at the compound came under attack. A couple of Navy Seals were killed in the effort but they got everyone evacuated ...including the dead.
    I am not aware of this. Four CIA operators heard the battle and went to the Consulate to render aid. They found Smith, dead, and consulate employees, alive. They did not find Stevens. They were fired upon as they moved from the consulate to the Annex. None of the four were killed.

    Do you understand that the Republicans are using Bengazi as a political ploy?
    No. This failure is the Regime's failure.

    Tell me about how the Republicans got Obama to disappear for eight hours after his Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs told Obama of the attack on his consulate.
    Tell me about how the Republicans got Obama to do absolutely nothing to come to the aid of the Abandoned Four?
    Tell me about how the Republicans got Obama to send Rice out to lie to the American people about the nature of the attack?
    Tell me about how the Republicans got Obama to lie himself over the next three weeks?

    If not, then you really don't understand politics at all...especially dirty politics.
    I will wait while you describe how the Republicans got the president and his regime to fail and then cover it up.


    Or maybe you do, since you insist on lying about Obama's feelings, motives and actions. Are you somehow privy to Obama's thoughts and actions 24/7? If so, then why aren't you testifying before congress?
    I can describe what Obama did. He did nothing.
    I can describe the other thing he did. He hid for eight hours. He was out of pocket. Unreachable.
    He was disinterested. One can tell by his actions.

    It seems the only reason we're even having this discussion is because McCain refuses to take personal responsibility for missing a two hour briefing at the Whitehouse about Benghazi, and to cover up his embarrassment he then called for a special committee to investigate what he could have learned in two hours if he had only attended the briefing.....
    McCain is a dottering old fool. I have despised him for more than a decade. What does he have to do with the regime's failure to do the right thing, lie and cover up their actions?

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    As Commander in Chief, that's his job. Do you think he should have just taken the rest of the day off in order to later make the claim that he was there so it wasn't his responsibility? Hiding under the bed when there are Americans being attacked is not Presidential leadership though it could be how Community Organizer might react.
    I'm still waiting for you state specifically which actions the President should have taken.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    From who? The Libyans knew it was a lie and everyone around the world who has access to these things knew it was a lie. There are many dozens of anti Islamic videos on the internet and still are. But even if it was a video at the bottom of it, that was no excuse to leave the Americans are their own without help. The video nonsense was just trying to shift the blame to someone else away from the White House, and it worked with his believers.
    Who? The CIA.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    If there is an example of any of those attacks involving an eight hour battle we can judge what that president did or failed to do.

    I believe the right answer is that none of them involved battles. There is a big difference between a bomb detonating and a battle that lasts for eight hours. This was not an incident. It was a battle.
    And your point is that we should be outraged because it was a"Battle," and it lasted "8-hours." The fact they keep attacking us (although the prorated amount of attacks under Obama are way less than under Bush) is not a concern. The time it took in Benghazi, and that RPG's are not "Bombs" does. As I said . . . Kenya, Tanzania, and Benghazi . . . whats the commonality? You and I both know that answer. The difference between me and you? I don't blame Bush for increasing attacks against embassies two-fold in 8-years verse 50-years before he came in office. Cost of doing business when you want to build nations in the middle-east. So . . . how can we blame Obama? Do you think there was a magic button that brought in Seal Team Six in, in 1 . . . or maybe 2 . . . or maybe 3 . . . or maybe 4-hours?

    Selective outrage. Be happy this doesn't happen monthly.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I'm still waiting for you state specifically which actions the President should have taken.
    The Community Organizer in Chief probably has greater access to information than I do but I certainly would have stayed at the station that night and ordered men to the scene as quickly as possible. Would that make sense to you?



    Who? The CIA.
    The CIA what? Knew it was not the fault of a video? Any non-committed leftist knew it was not a video as there were already hundreds on the Internet and the Libyan government said as much the next day. There was even a discussion on the boards on the subject.

    Is it your belief that Obama's hands were tied?

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