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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    "The basic principle is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on; without having some real-time information about what's taking place, and as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation."

    Marine Corps Doctrinal Publication 1: Warfighting the following passage on pages 86 and 87:

    "We must have the moral courage to make tough decisions in the face of uncertainty--and to accept full responsibility for those decisions--when the natural inclination would be to postpone the decision pending more complete information. To delay action in an emergency because of incomplete information shows a lack of moral courage. We do not want to make rash decisions, but we must not squander opportunities while trying to gain more information. Finally, since all decisions must be made in the face of uncertainty and since every situation is unique, there is no perfect solution to any battlefield problem. Therefore, we should not agonize over one."

    Surely this doctrine has been developed and maintained with the approval of the Office of the Secretary of Defense.....snip~

    An Unlikely Benghazi Tale Unravels | The Weekly Standard


    So much for excuses by Gen Ham and Panetta.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Wow, a thread of your own, eh?
    Nah, it's not mine otherwise all the chit from Benghazi-Gate would be here and there would be no cherry picking of those facts. But I can definitely help out with all the material I have on it. I just wonder what people will say when they discover they cant blame Fox News.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Except for the fact that saying one takes responsibility and then not expecting to be any consequences .....that usually is worn on Democrats Sleeves. Just as Clinton has demonstrated as well as Obama.
    I think Republicans first have to admit they've made mistakes before they can take responsibility for making them. Because if they don't, then the consequence is they're doomed to keep repeating them and we're doomed if they keep getting elected.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Seem Christol didn't mention anything about McCain did he. But he did bring up some quite noticeable issues for Panetta.....huh?

    As Bill Kristol wrote in the month after the attack, "Panetta's position is untenable: The Defense Department doesn't get to unilaterally decide whether it's too risky or not to try to rescue CIA operators, or to violate another country's air space. In any case, it’s inconceivable Panetta didn't raise the question of what to do when he met with the national security adviser and the president at 5 p.m. on the evening of September 11 for an hour. And it's beyond inconceivable he didn't then stay in touch with the White House after he returned to the Pentagon.".....snip~
    I don't know where you get your information from, but in the links I posted it said that Panetta and Obama spent the first 20 minutes talking about Benghazi and what could be done and then Obama gave Panetta a green light to do whatever he needed to do to help the personel at the compound. So if what Kristol said is true about violating another countries airspace, then getting there in time to help the Ambassador would have been even more difficult, if not impossible, wouldn't it? But since the Ambassador was already dead by the time Obama was briefed, then why would Panetta need to keep in touch with him?

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    So you want the President to sit in a chair for hours and micromanage his staff? That about sum it up?
    As Commander in Chief, that's his job. Do you think he should have just taken the rest of the day off in order to later make the claim that he was there so it wasn't his responsibility? Hiding under the bed when there are Americans being attacked is not Presidential leadership though it could be how Community Organizer might react.

    That was the assessment.
    From who? The Libyans knew it was a lie and everyone around the world who has access to these things knew it was a lie. There are many dozens of anti Islamic videos on the internet and still are. But even if it was a video at the bottom of it, that was no excuse to leave the Americans are their own without help. The video nonsense was just trying to shift the blame to someone else away from the White House, and it worked with his believers.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I don't know where you get your information from, but in the links I posted it said that Panetta and Obama spent the first 20 minutes talking about Benghazi and what could be done and then Obama gave Panetta a green light to do whatever he needed to do to help the personel at the compound. So if what Kristol said is true about violating another countries airspace, then getting there in time to help the Ambassador would have been even more difficult, if not impossible, wouldn't it? But since the Ambassador was already dead by the time Obama was briefed, then why would Panetta need to keep in touch with him?
    You want to know where I got the info.....from your source.

    Why.....because the battle was still ongoing. What did you think after the first wave the attacks stopped? 7hrs of live feed tells us otherwise.

    An Unlikely Benghazi Tale Unravels | The Weekly Standard

    While some may think that armed drones could have made a difference in Benghazi, that's altogether unclear," a senior defense official tells Fox News. "You need good intelligence to drive the use of armed drones. It's not like you can just send hellfire missiles into a relatively crowded area when you don't know precisely where the enemy is."

    Gee, if only there had been, say, a former Navy SEAL on the roof of the building under attack, using a laser range finder to communicate to higher headquarters precise map coordinates (which, if he had standard-issue gear, would be accurate to within one meter) of the enemy positions! And even if that had not been the case, there is always the option of using fixed wing jets to perform what is called a 'show of force:' a low-altitude high-speed pass meant to intimidate the enemy and indicate the presence of American airpower over the battlefield. Due to tight rules of engagement, this tactic is employed virtually every single day in Afghanistan (and likely much more frequently than that.)....snip

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I think Republicans first have to admit they've made mistakes before they can take responsibility for making them. Because if they don't, then the consequence is they're doomed to keep repeating them and we're doomed if they keep getting elected.
    Really.....well when the Democrats can get past leading 56k to death in NAM. Then you might actually have a leg to stand on. Course that's one of those history things that the Democrats just cant get rid of. Their History.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    McCain is Right.....and we can go to the VP debate as a start with Joe Biden.....wherein the White House Blamed the Stated Dept. As Jumpin Joe stated the WH didn't know anything about requests for security.....

    Backing up Vice President Joe Biden’s claim the previous night about being unaware of a request for more security at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, the White House Friday asserted the responsibility lay with the State Department.

    “What I am saying, when it comes to the number of personnel, who are in place at consulates and embassies and other diplomatic facilities around the world, those decisions are appropriately made at the State Department by security personnel,” White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said.
    “When it comes to funding, this president makes sure that diplomatic security is adequately funded, make sure that that funding is restored when efforts on Capitol Hill are made, principally by House Republicans, including Congressman Ryan to slash it in order to cut taxes for the wealthiest 2 percent in this country,” Carney added. <<<<< This is where Carney tried to blame Repubs with funding.....which was later proven to be false. Also do to Carneys own Statement as to the President making sure.

    Biden responded, “We weren't told they wanted more security. We did not know they wanted more security.”

    Several reporters asked what Biden meant, considering that State Department officials testified to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee that they requested more security. Carney explained, “He was speaking directly for himself and the president.”

    Ed Henry of Fox News followed, asking if Obama or Biden were ever briefed about the need for more security.

    “You are saying from this podium that the president and the vice president have never been briefed about the fact that security was needed in Benghazi. Never at a presidential daily briefing?.....snip~

    White House Blames State Department, House Republicans for Lack of Security in Benghazi | CNS News

    Here is the deflection by Biden and Carney. Ed Henry of CNN jacks them with the Question concerning Presidential Briefings. Not once but Twice. Carney responds but never answers the Question. So during the VP debate.....we have the very First Denial out across the nation being thrown by Jacked-up Joe.

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    You want to know where I got the info.....from your source.

    Why.....because the battle was still ongoing. What did you think after the first wave the attacks stopped? 7hrs of live feed tells us otherwise.

    An Unlikely Benghazi Tale Unravels | The Weekly Standard
    Thats not the article I posted and its not written by Bill Kristol and there's no mention of "7 hrs of live feed" in your source. So I really don't know what you're talking about.

    While some may think that armed drones could have made a difference in Benghazi, that's altogether unclear," a senior defense official tells Fox News. "You need good intelligence to drive the use of armed drones. It's not like you can just send hellfire missiles into a relatively crowded area when you don't know precisely where the enemy is."

    Gee, if only there had been, say, a former Navy SEAL on the roof of the building under attack, using a laser range finder to communicate to higher headquarters precise map coordinates (which, if he had standard-issue gear, would be accurate to within one meter) of the enemy positions! And even if that had not been the case, there is always the option of using fixed wing jets to perform what is called a 'show of force:' a low-altitude high-speed pass meant to intimidate the enemy and indicate the presence of American airpower over the battlefield. Due to tight rules of engagement, this tactic is employed virtually every single day in Afghanistan (and likely much more frequently than that.)....snip
    Thats ridiculous and just arm chair speculation from a blogger no less. The nearest fixed wing jets were stationed in Italy and it would have taken over two hours for them to get there and still no one really knew what was going on or where Ambassador Stevens was after the intial first half hour of the attack. So what would you have them do, bomb the consolate with Ambassador Stevens still inside?

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    Re: McCain claims ‘massive cover-up’ on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Thats not the article I posted and its not written by Bill Kristol and there's no mention of "7 hrs of live feed" in your source. So I really don't know what you're talking about.

    Thats ridiculous and just arm chair speculation from a blogger no less. The nearest fixed wing jets were stationed in Italy and it would have taken over two hours for them to get there and still no one really knew what was going on or where Ambassador Stevens was after the intial first half hour of the attack. So what would you have them do, bomb the consolate with Ambassador Stevens still inside?


    I didn't say it was from your article.....I said it was from your SOURCE. Did I not?

    That maybe the case about the blogger.....but that doesn't change up what is in the Marine Corps Doctrinal Publication. Which is why I brought this Bloggers piece up to bear from your Source the Weekly Standard.

    Okay Fixed Wing.....What happened to the Aircraft carrier that was sitting off Libya?

    But they did know where Stevens was before the battle began.....as he was on the front street out in front of Consulate with The Turks Envoy one hour before the battle began. Then he returned inside the Consulate. Which btw where there were no protestors whatsoever. Yet......Obama sent Susan Rice to make the Rounds on a Sunday to say there were protestors and that was the Intel they had at the time. Which now has been proven to be totally false.

    Who Sent out Susan Rice to make the talk Shows? Clinton or Obama? Oh. and that Obama meaning would include Word from the White House or any Senior Staff that would be in touch with Obama to let him know. But was the individual to relay the Presidents acknowledgement to do so.

    After this point there is the issue that the American People were lied to Publicly. Also Thru the Election on questions brought up about Benghazi.

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