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    Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation – Capsules - The KHN Blog

    Senate Democrats on Thursday showed little love to the Obama administration for how it is implementing the federal health law.

    Testifying before the powerful Senate Finance Committee, the administration’s top regulator on new health exchanges encountered criticism from several Democrats who helped push through the 2010 federal health overhaul — among them Chairman Max Baucus of Montana and Sens. Ron Wyden of Oregon, Bill Nelson of Florida and Maria Cantwell of Washington.
    Apparently Democrats are getting hell from their constituents and are getting nervous about the implementation of the PPACA. They seem to want to put distance between themselves and the effects of the PPACA.

    Given that they wrote the law all by themselves, not even allowing Republicans into bill writing sessions, and passed it with no Republican support at all, it will be interesting to see how they manage to shift blame for this.

    They left most of the rule writing to the bureaucrats, which means that they literally could not know what all of the effects of the law would be when they passed it.

    They passed a law that was going to cause a lot of people to lose their insurance and was going to cause insurance to be more expensive, and now they are slamming administrators who can't find a way to avoid the problems that Congress created.

    Powerful Democrats who helped write and pass Obamacare subjected the new law’s chief administrator to withering criticism at a Senate hearing yesterday. Gary Cohen, the director of the Center for Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight, testified before the Senate Finance Committee, and the Democrats on the committee—from its Chairman Max Baucus to Senators Ron Wyden, Bill Nelson, and Maria Cantwell—tore into him.
    Key Democrats Turn on Obamacare | Via Meadia

    The Republicans should offer a bipartisan bill to abolish the PPACA almost entirely, and nothing short of that.

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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    The Republicans should offer a bipartisan bill to abolish the PPACA almost entirely, and nothing short of that.
    You must be joking. That would be the absolute WORST thing Republicans could do. Now is the time for them to sit back and STFU.
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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

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    Given that they wrote the law all by themselves, not even allowing Republicans into bill writing sessions, and passed it with no Republican support at all, it will be interesting to see how they manage to shift blame for this.
    It will probably go something like: "The Republicans were obstructing the bill, so the Democrats couldn't get everything they wanted"... Say it about 1,000 times on MSNBC, HuffPo, Think Progress, and Alternet - amazingly it becomes fact!
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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Let the PPACA collapse under it's own weight.

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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Let the PPACA collapse under it's own weight.
    Yeah, that sound right in the moment, but a lot of people will be crushed in that collapse.

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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Let the PPACA collapse under it's own weight.

    Didn't Reagan say something about immortality and government programs? Unless a stake is driven through the heart of this thing it will be eternal law until it bankrupts the republic and we will be screwed.

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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Didn't Reagan say something about immortality and government programs? Unless a stake is driven through the heart of this thing it will be eternal law until it bankrupts the republic and we will be screwed.
    That's right, and even Reagan couldn't kill those programs. He tried with the REA, almost got it killed (it had already long outlived it's purpose), then the agency retasked a bit and is still going strong, getting funding.

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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Didn't Reagan say something about immortality and government programs? Unless a stake is driven through the heart of this thing it will be eternal law until it bankrupts the republic and we will be screwed.
    I don't disagree at all, and Clownboy is correct that people will suffer as a result. I just think it's more politically expedient and palatable to let this thing begin to twist in the wind for a while first. Sounds a little heartless, but when compared to the damage we'll experience if we try to prop it up for decades, I think it's acceptable. Overwhelming public support for repeal will be required before it's possible to achieve it.

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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You must be joking. That would be the absolute WORST thing Republicans could do. Now is the time for them to sit back and STFU.
    Depends on what you want to accomplish. Do you want the republicans to get political points and seem as being more understanding and more moderate... sure, then they should just let things unfold and not press for anything. They must not look like aggressors. It will also help with the democrats turning on each other and making clowns out of themselves. If the repubs get in on the action, it may alter the intended result.

    If you want the country to not get into further ruinous debt by this very wasteful program, then yes, they should act to abolish obamacare.

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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Depends on what you want to accomplish. Do you want the republicans to get political points and seem as being more understanding and more moderate... sure, then they should just let things unfold and not press for anything. They must not look like aggressors. It will also help with the democrats turning on each other and making clowns out of themselves. If the repubs get in on the action, it may alter the intended result.

    If you want the country to not get into further ruinous debt by this very wasteful program, then yes, they should act to abolish obamacare.
    Right now, it's all conjecture. One set of opinions against another. It needs to go live. THAT is when the problems will become irrefutable. You can't fix something until you're sure what's broken.

    If you think Obama would just lie down and play dead if the Republicans started chanting for repeal, you're smokin' somethin' I want. Until the MEDIA grabs on to projected horror stories, it needs to fall under its own weight.
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