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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I really like that "perhaps even useful".
    I was trying to be optimistic...
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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I don't disagree at all, and Clownboy is correct that people will suffer as a result. I just think it's more politically expedient and palatable to let this thing begin to twist in the wind for a while first. Sounds a little heartless, but when compared to the damage we'll experience if we try to prop it up for decades, I think it's acceptable. Overwhelming public support for repeal will be required before it's possible to achieve it.
    I think the overwhelming public support for repeal is already there, and was, in fact, already there since before this abomination was even signed into law. Only among corrupt politicians is there really any significant popular support for it. Unfortunately, it is exactly these corrupt politicians who we need to repeal it.
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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Agreed, but Obama will be irrelevant after the 2014 elections. At that point the Republicans will have to sell their plan to the public and force the Dem candidate into the position of defending ObamaCare, which might even encourage some Dem cooperation in getting ObamaCare modified to where it is unrecognizable and perhaps even useful.
    You cannot polish a turd.

    The ObamaCare scam does not need to be modified or amended; it needs to be repealed in its entirety.
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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I think the overwhelming public support for repeal is already there, and was, in fact, already there since before this abomination was even signed into law. Only among corrupt politicians is there really any significant popular support for it. Unfortunately, it is exactly these corrupt politicians who we need to repeal it.
    Actually if one followed the polls, before it was passed 58% of Americans were against it. Then right after Obama care was signed into law the percentages remain fairly constant 58% wanting repeal, 41% againstg repeal and this held through the 2010 elections. Since then the numbers for repeal has went down. In the latest poll 7-11 Feb 2013, 49% favor repeal and 46% against repeal.

    Personally I do not think Obama care is going away. The fever for its repeal has cooled especially since the SCOTUS ruling. The fact that Obama Care wan't a huge campaign issue last year, pretty much tells me the people have accepted it whether they like it or not. It will not be fully implemented until January of next year. Now if it is as bad as the Republicans says it is, people will be fed up and another 2010 type election will take place. If it is nearer to what the Demcrats say it is suppose to be, then Obama care ceases to be an issue and the numbers in the polls will begin to show a majority in favor of keeping the law instead of repealing it.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    It's bad law and a bad plan, with numerous highly negative unintended consequences buried within. Stand back and watch the Dems go into damage control mode.
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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I think the overwhelming public support for repeal is already there, and was, in fact, already there since before this abomination was even signed into law. Only among corrupt politicians is there really any significant popular support for it. Unfortunately, it is exactly these corrupt politicians who we need to repeal it.
    I think so too. To say you disagree with something is very different than actually taking action to change it, and we have the recent election to prove that such is the case. When people are sufficiently disgusted, when a viable and attractive alternative is available, and when politicians understand they have no other options, we'll get there. I agree that the whole thing should be canned, but the reality is that we'll retain some elements of the existing mess. Who will stand up and refuse a single mother of three with no meaningful income health care? Few, if any. And that's how the whole thing is framed, whether it reflects reality or not.

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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I think the overwhelming public support for repeal is already there, and was, in fact, already there since before this abomination was even signed into law. Only among corrupt politicians is there really any significant popular support for it. Unfortunately, it is exactly these corrupt politicians who we need to repeal it.


    I disagree. The Obama voter is convinced that they are about to receive FREE healthcare.

    Until they are actually required to pay for it, they will not accept that they need to pay for this and it will cost an arm and a leg.

    Even when the demand for payment is made public and the penalties assessed, the blame will be placed on the Republicans as a perversion of the plan set up to help people.

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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Agreed, but Obama will be irrelevant after the 2014 elections. At that point the Republicans will have to sell their plan to the public and force the Dem candidate into the position of defending ObamaCare, which might even encourage some Dem cooperation in getting ObamaCare modified to where it is unrecognizable and perhaps even useful.

    Do you really think that Obama will be a polite elder statesman like GWB?

    I see him as an ongoing campaigning machine who will trample anyone between him and a teleprompter.

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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    You cannot polish a turd.
    That will not keep the Dems from trying, or the MSM from cheering him on.
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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Do you really think that Obama will be a polite elder statesman like GWB?

    I see him as an ongoing campaigning machine who will trample anyone between him and a teleprompter.
    Sadly, that is probably true. I'm not aware of any cure - or even treatments - for such monumental narcissism.
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