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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I don't disagree at all, and Clownboy is correct that people will suffer as a result. I just think it's more politically expedient and palatable to let this thing begin to twist in the wind for a while first. Sounds a little heartless, but when compared to the damage we'll experience if we try to prop it up for decades, I think it's acceptable. Overwhelming public support for repeal will be required before it's possible to achieve it.
    Agreed, but there will have to be a sensible alternative plan ready to present. Hopefully it will not require 2500 pages of dense legalese.
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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Depends on what you want to accomplish. Do you want the republicans to get political points and seem as being more understanding and more moderate... sure, then they should just let things unfold and not press for anything. They must not look like aggressors. It will also help with the democrats turning on each other and making clowns out of themselves. If the repubs get in on the action, it may alter the intended result.

    If you want the country to not get into further ruinous debt by this very wasteful program, then yes, they should act to abolish obamacare.
    Unless the GOP plans on achieving a veto-proof majority in the Senate in 2014, which is doubtful at the very best, then we'd better be making long-term plans to kill this sucker.

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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Right now, it's all conjecture. One set of opinions against another. It needs to go live. THAT is when the problems will become irrefutable. You can't fix something until you're sure what's broken.

    If you think Obama would just lie down and play dead if the Republicans started chanting for repeal, you're smokin' somethin' I want. Until the MEDIA grabs on to projected horror stories, it needs to fall under its own weight.
    I see what you're saying Maggie, but also see that this is precisely how these eternal programs are created. Once set in place and started up it cannot be removed without great pain.

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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Right now, it's all conjecture. One set of opinions against another. It needs to go live. THAT is when the problems will become irrefutable. You can't fix something until you're sure what's broken.

    If you think Obama would just lie down and play dead if the Republicans started chanting for repeal, you're smokin' somethin' I want. Until the MEDIA grabs on to projected horror stories, it needs to fall under its own weight.
    Agreed, but Obama will be irrelevant after the 2014 elections. At that point the Republicans will have to sell their plan to the public and force the Dem candidate into the position of defending ObamaCare, which might even encourage some Dem cooperation in getting ObamaCare modified to where it is unrecognizable and perhaps even useful.
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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I see what you're saying Maggie, but also see that this is precisely how these eternal programs are created. Once set in place and started up it cannot be removed without great pain.
    Nationalized (in some form) healthcare is not going to go away. The plan will be tweaked...malpractice suits will be addressed...FDA drug approval will be tweaked...standards of care will be fiddled with. This plan is not ever going to be scrapped in its entirety. It's not going to happen.
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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Agreed, but Obama will be irrelevant after the 2014 elections. At that point the Republicans will have to sell their plan to the public and force the Dem candidate into the position of defending ObamaCare, which might even encourage some Dem cooperation in getting ObamaCare modified to where it is unrecognizable and perhaps even useful.
    Completely agree.
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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Agreed, but there will have to be a sensible alternative plan ready to present. Hopefully it will not require 2500 pages of dense legalese.
    I'm with you on that. There are several plans floating around. We have time from a legislative standpoint - just not much from a financial standpoint.

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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Nationalized (in some form) healthcare is not going to go away. The plan will be tweaked...malpractice suits will be addressed...FDA drug approval will be tweaked...standards of care will be fiddled with. This plan is not ever going to be scrapped in its entirety. It's not going to happen.
    That's the formula for never having a working system. Start off on the wrong path and never leave it. It's the old lipstick on a pig routine, no matter how much you apply it's still a pig. And in this case, a pig we're stuck with.

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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Nationalized (in some form) healthcare is not going to go away. The plan will be tweaked...malpractice suits will be addressed...FDA drug approval will be tweaked...standards of care will be fiddled with. This plan is not ever going to be scrapped in its entirety. It's not going to happen.
    Yeah. I think we're stuck with some form of national health care. I just don't want that to be the only option. Unless there is some competition we'll never see an end to the costs and the level of care will be in the basement somewhere.

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    Re: Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Agreed, but Obama will be irrelevant after the 2014 elections. At that point the Republicans will have to sell their plan to the public and force the Dem candidate into the position of defending ObamaCare, which might even encourage some Dem cooperation in getting ObamaCare modified to where it is unrecognizable and perhaps even useful.
    I really like that "perhaps even useful".

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