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    Re: Radio police talking of burning dorner's house down

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Common sense from you, as usual!

    Dorner had no excuse for what he wrote, and what he did.

    I do believe that the LAPD came uncorked when running him down, evidenced by the shooting at the wrong vehicles and injuring innocent civilians.

    Frankly, both Dorner and the LAPD are guilty of poor judgement and heinous actions.

    Dorner actions were no surprise, but the LAPD shoud have shown much more restraint.

    Ironically, by shooting the wrong vehicles, the LAPD endangered civilians more than Dorner did.

    Dorner cannot answer for his transgressions, but the LAPD can.
    Yes, I totally agree with that. They were obviously somewhat panicked.

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    Re: Radio police talking of burning dorner's house down

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    If he was the guy that did indeed write that huge manifesto thingy declaring war of course he is accountable for his actions (and scary). But dead men tell no tales. If he was a master manipulator grumpy manchild then he definitely won in painting the LAPD as prestigious power abusers. If he was an underdog good guy set up sorta how you see in the hollywood movies by a den of thieves.. well I guess the den of thieves win. I have a feeling we will never truly know.
    he could of walked out any time. Could have turned himself in before it got as far as it did.
    He decided not to.

    Like I said, interesting you still hold the police more at fault that Dorner. Dorner could have given himself up and said you got the wrong guy. He didn't and paid the price.

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    Re: Radio police talking of burning dorner's house down

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Sometimes, they make it hard to avoid murdering them. We still don't know enough details to determine innocence or guilt, although we DO know that he killed some LEO.

    I also have to bring up the point again that there are OTHER avenues he could have taken if he was being forced out or whatever his problem was. There is an agency that investigates the police departments. I have a hard time believing that in today's age, police officers who are being victimized by superiors or fellow officers don't have an outlet, besides going on the run and killing fellow officers.
    His actions were not rational nor could you leave him to his business. But whether it may be "hard to avoid" murdering him or not; the government doesn't get to.
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    Re: Radio police talking of burning dorner's house down

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Well, I suppose that we can address these points over multiple threads...
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Okay... Did you listen to the audio? They are talking about engulfing each wall. As in they burned down every wall with no chance for escape. It wasnt to flush him out. It was to burn the place down. It seemed they even targeted "mattresses (inflammable) near blood spatter." They were burning the "shootout" scene (although I guess there was only 1 shot fired yet they called it a shootout). How did Dorner's truck catch on fire btw?

    So how did they hit Dorner with 1 single shot fired, splat blood on the wall and then burn the cabin down after the fact? What makes sense about this?

    My theory is they went in there, he was passive, they shot him and then burned down the place. Who would just sit in a fire and die? Isn't it more likely he would at least attempt to flee the inferno even if hes sure hes going to die?

    LAPD needs to be completely dismantled and put back together. They are not a trusted group of people. I read they have one of the Rhodney King beaters as a police captain now days. These cops prove every day that they are a sect of society with privileges and protections greater than "people". I bet the cops that shot 3 innocent people on Dorner-Hunt-Day wont even be prosecuted in court. They prolly have some "anti-terrorism" blanket protection that gives them immunity to civilian prosecution.

    That day proved the societies subservience to the boot-strappers and their overlords.

    I bet that house had a HUGE plea of final statement scribbled all over the walls and hence another reason to burn it down.
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Actually thats what I am alluding to. Im pretty damn sure he WAS dead and they burnt the place down.
    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Ya, look at the quotes from the police on the 3 different audios that come out, and there's not a chance that's what they meant.

    When the cop says "burn the mother ****er down", he's not talking about using gas to get him out of the building, it's clearly saying burn the house down with him in it.... Any other interpretation given the facts is ludicrous.

    Then, "we are going ahead with the plan with the burners.... Like we talked about."
    Response;"burners are deployed and we have fire",

    A minute later, "we have fire in the front, he might come out the back."

    Then they waited until the building was about to collapse before bringing in the fire trucks.

    Ok, let's be honest here; in the circumstance, burning down the house in order to get the person to either surrender or die in the buildings, after he's already killed a bunch of people.

    The lapd burned the house down, not sure how you could think "burn that Down" means something other than burn that down. But at least be honest about the scene...
    You guys are extremely nave when it comes to the law, and how cops work within that framework

    Btw It was suicide...Fat boy shot himself just under the chin and up through the skull

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    Re: Radio police talking of burning dorner's house down

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    You guys are extremely nave when it comes to the law, and how cops work within that framework

    Btw It was suicide...Fat boy shot himself just under the chin and up through the skull
    Meh, I may not have been a cop, but my husband was, for 20 years. He agreed with me - while Dorner shouldn't have taken the route he did, there was a reason he did, and the police should have handled it much better than they did. Thing is, though, that if there is corruption within the LAPD (if - LOLOL) -- they couldn't have let Dorner live. He had to die, and any evidence had to die with him.
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    Re: Radio police talking of burning dorner's house down

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    You guys are extremely nave when it comes to the law, and how cops work within that framework

    Btw It was suicide...Fat boy shot himself just under the chin and up through the skull
    Bull**** I am naive.

    I know exactly how cops work, and, unlike you, I am quite matter-of-fact in my analysis.

    To assist your reading comprehension, I will reiterate, as I am dead nuts on point:

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post

    Dorner had no excuse for what he wrote, and what he did.

    I do believe that the LAPD came uncorked when running him down, evidenced by the shooting at the wrong vehicles and injuring innocent civilians.

    Frankly, both Dorner and the LAPD are guilty of poor judgement and heinous actions.

    Dorner actions were no surprise, but the LAPD shoud have shown much more restraint.

    Ironically, by shooting the wrong vehicles, the LAPD endangered civilians more than Dorner did.

    Dorner cannot answer for his transgressions, but the LAPD can.
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    Re: Radio police talking of burning dorner's house down

    Wouldn't surprise me if he shot himself. Happens all the time.

    If there was something underhanded going on, then I feel terribly for the man. It's quite sad, and I can understand how someone would feel that they have no other options.

    However, he could have just been a nut too.

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    Re: Radio police talking of burning dorner's house down

    Let's also not forget about how the media screws things up constantly too. Who knows what really happened when that's what we have to rely on.

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    Re: Radio police talking of burning dorner's house down

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Well, I suppose that we can address these points over multiple threads...
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Okay... Did you listen to the audio? They are talking about engulfing each wall. As in they burned down every wall with no chance for escape. It wasnt to flush him out. It was to burn the place down. It seemed they even targeted "mattresses (inflammable) near blood spatter." They were burning the "shootout" scene (although I guess there was only 1 shot fired yet they called it a shootout). How did Dorner's truck catch on fire btw?

    So how did they hit Dorner with 1 single shot fired, splat blood on the wall and then burn the cabin down after the fact? What makes sense about this?

    My theory is they went in there, he was passive, they shot him and then burned down the place. Who would just sit in a fire and die? Isn't it more likely he would at least attempt to flee the inferno even if hes sure hes going to die?

    LAPD needs to be completely dismantled and put back together. They are not a trusted group of people. I read they have one of the Rhodney King beaters as a police captain now days. These cops prove every day that they are a sect of society with privileges and protections greater than "people". I bet the cops that shot 3 innocent people on Dorner-Hunt-Day wont even be prosecuted in court. They prolly have some "anti-terrorism" blanket protection that gives them immunity to civilian prosecution.

    That day proved the societies subservience to the boot-strappers and their overlords.

    I bet that house had a HUGE plea of final statement scribbled all over the walls and hence another reason to burn it down.
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Actually thats what I am alluding to. Im pretty damn sure he WAS dead and they burnt the place down.
    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Ya, look at the quotes from the police on the 3 different audios that come out, and there's not a chance that's what they meant.

    When the cop says "burn the mother ****er down", he's not talking about using gas to get him out of the building, it's clearly saying burn the house down with him in it.... Any other interpretation given the facts is ludicrous.

    Then, "we are going ahead with the plan with the burners.... Like we talked about."
    Response;"burners are deployed and we have fire",

    A minute later, "we have fire in the front, he might come out the back."

    Then they waited until the building was about to collapse before bringing in the fire trucks.

    Ok, let's be honest here; in the circumstance, burning down the house in order to get the person to either surrender or die in the buildings, after he's already killed a bunch of people.

    The lapd burned the house down, not sure how you could think "burn that Down" means something other than burn that down. But at least be honest about the scene...
    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Bull**** I am naive.

    I know exactly how cops work, and, unlike you, I am quite matter-of-fact in my analysis.

    To assist your reading comprehension, I will reiterate, as I am dead nuts on point:
    You don't know ****...

    All of Dorner's weapons were suppressed. Both deputies at the *final* scene were shot with suppressed M4s. The one that survive was due to the ceramic plate, he was wearing, but was shot again in the face *through the upper jaw and out the bottom of his mouth*

    Fat boy was a deadly pos...make no mistake

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    Re: Radio police talking of burning dorner's house down

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    You don't know ****...

    All of Dorner's weapons were suppressed. Both deputies at the *final* scene were shot with suppressed M4s. The one that survive was due to the ceramic plate, he was wearing, but was shot again in the face *through the upper jaw and out the bottom of his mouth*

    Fat boy was a deadly pos...make no mistake
    I don't care about the small thinking about these minor details.

    I am looking at the overall situation logically, the big picture, of which you are incapable.

    Epic fail for you!
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