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    Re: Barack Obama's Choice for CIA Chief 'Converted to Islam' Former FBI Agent Claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Don't really care what religion is in the discussion but someone who would change religions on the spot might change other allegiances just as suddenly. I think the government likes it's agents to be a bit more predictable.
    Still I think someone would know if there are Cameras in Mecca and Medina. Something that would show him walking in. Someone would snap pictures from a cell-phone or video record such an event. At least that's what I would think.

    But again it doesn't matter he still will be confirmed as the Republicans caved.

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    Re: Barack Obama's Choice for CIA Chief 'Converted to Islam' Former FBI Agent Claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    That's not evidence, that's just the claim. You've also not said whether the claim is that he has converted or could have converted (I can't watch the video as I have no working sound here). I see no reason to give an unsupported claim by one individual (whoever he is) any serious credit.
    Well my only question would be why would someone from the FBI lie in the first place? Or make up an allegation knowing that it could be confirmed quite easily. As not all that go to Mecca are Saudi.

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    Re: Barack Obama's Choice for CIA Chief 'Converted to Islam' Former FBI Agent Claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well my only question would be why would someone from the FBI lie in the first place? Or make up an allegation knowing that it could be confirmed quite easily. As not all that go to Mecca are Saudi.
    I find it surprising that you place your trust in a former agent of the government. I thought you considered all of our government liars?

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    Re: Barack Obama's Choice for CIA Chief 'Converted to Islam' Former FBI Agent Claims.

    It's a poor allegation, one that is desperate. Furthermore, it is foolish for us to deny someone right of appointment because they are a Muslim.
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    Re: Barack Obama's Choice for CIA Chief 'Converted to Islam' Former FBI Agent Claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I find it surprising that you place your trust in a former agent of the government. I thought you considered all of our government liars?
    It's not that I put trust in him. Which is why I have questioned the story. As I think it is easily proven or disproven. Also Like Fiddy says being a Muslim would not be grounds for stating he could not hold the position.

    Moreover from the beginning I have stated this wont matter anyways he still will be confirmed.

    Well.....I guess that is one difference you and I have. Myself, I try not to assume chit.

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    Re: Barack Obama's Choice for CIA Chief 'Converted to Islam' Former FBI Agent Claims.

    Why does it matter what religion he is?

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    Re: Barack Obama's Choice for CIA Chief 'Converted to Islam' Former FBI Agent Claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It's a poor allegation, one that is desperate. Furthermore, it is foolish for us to deny someone right of appointment because they are a Muslim.
    Indeed. There is expressly no religious test in the constitution.

    Article VI, paragraph 3, and states that:

    The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
    Yes, that is specifically for Senators and Representatives, but has been interpreted to mean any federal employee.

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    Re: Barack Obama's Choice for CIA Chief 'Converted to Islam' Former FBI Agent Claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well my only question would be why would someone from the FBI lie in the first place? Or make up an allegation knowing that it could be confirmed quite easily. As not all that go to Mecca are Saudi.
    The usual reasons I'd suspect - money or power (politics). Of course it's perfectly possible that he's not lying but has been misled or has misinterpreted the facts. Maybe he's not even ex-FBI and the whole this is a fraud. I honestly have no idea. The claims could be entirely true of course, but the fact remains that zero evidence appears to have been presented and unless some is, why should be give such a claim any credit?

    Such allegations can't be confirmed or, more significantly, disproved easily. You only need to look at the whole Obama isn't American/is a Muslim debacle to see that and even when such things can be proven wrong to reasonable certainty, many more people tend to hear the accusations that the disproving so the mud sticks.

    By the way, I am still unable to view the video and you've still not established what you believe the actual accusation was. I think the difference between "is" and "could be" is hugely significant.

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    Re: Barack Obama's Choice for CIA Chief 'Converted to Islam' Former FBI Agent Claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It's a poor allegation, one that is desperate. Furthermore, it is foolish for us to deny someone right of appointment because they are a Muslim.
    Depends on what kind of Muslim they are. It isn't like I would want one of those Snake-Handler Baptists in charge of anything either.

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    Re: Barack Obama's Choice for CIA Chief 'Converted to Islam' Former FBI Agent Claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    The usual reasons I'd suspect - money or power (politics). Of course it's perfectly possible that he's not lying but has been misled or has misinterpreted the facts. Maybe he's not even ex-FBI and the whole this is a fraud. I honestly have no idea. The claims could be entirely true of course, but the fact remains that zero evidence appears to have been presented and unless some is, why should be give such a claim any credit?

    Such allegations can't be confirmed or, more significantly, disproved easily. You only need to look at the whole Obama isn't American/is a Muslim debacle to see that and even when such things can be proven wrong to reasonable certainty, many more people tend to hear the accusations that the disproving so the mud sticks.

    By the way, I am still unable to view the video and you've still not established what you believe the actual accusation was. I think the difference between "is" and "could be" is hugely significant.
    As another mentioned already It was put in the MS Foreign News and like I said Saudi News and TV was reporting it. So that why I posted up the piece. Also as Brennan is about to be confirmed. Note: I don't see any US News media outlets carrying it, either.

    Yeah I watched it but even if it was true.....what crime was committed? Other than if Brennan lied about anything in front of some committee. Again I think this would be easily to prove or disprove.

    Course this Former FBI agent could just hold some grudge against him.

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