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LAPD Shooter, Chris Dorner, Returned $8,000 to an Oklahoma Church

ric27 said:
The fat pos had 2 options.... to either get out the area or continue killing cops and he wasn't going to surrender.

The decision was taken... It was not worth getting another cop hurt, and having the house burn was a good way for it to end.
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Yup, SOP...burn the mother down. It's not worth getting a cop hurt....and you help out the housing market. :roll:
 
Ikari said:
Yup, SOP...burn the mother down. It's not worth getting a cop hurt....and you help out the housing market. :roll:
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I'll give you some slack because you simply do not know, the process

By their very nature, fat pos/terrorist cannot be defeated by waiting for the events to occur or arresting suspected fat pos/terrorists for conspiracy/murder or some such

Putting hard core pos like Dorner in jail accomplishes nothing. There is no deterrent factor and he will win by being allowed to speak at trial.

There is only one solution - shoot him in the face
 
ric27 said:
I'll give you some slack because you simply do not know, the process

By their very nature, fat pos/terrorist cannot be defeated by waiting for the events to occur or arresting suspected fat pos/terrorists for conspiracy/murder or some such

Putting hard core pos like Dorner in jail accomplishes nothing. There is no deterrent factor and he will win by being allowed to speak at trial.

There is only one solution - shoot him in the face
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I'll cut you some slack because you simply do not know the concept of freedom and liberty.

American citizens have rights and liberties, and even when having committed a crime it does not give license to any force necessary. Warrants must be had, protocol must be followed, the rights of the individual upheld. Just because a suspect has taken refuge somewhere does not mean that you have license to destroy the building by any means necessary to "smoke them out" or directly cause their death when not directly threatened. Using draconian and authoritative means as you suggest only proves men like Dorner right.

There is only one solution - abide by the consequences and responsibilities of freedom.
 
Ikari said:
I'll cut you some slack because you simply do not know the concept of freedom and liberty.

American citizens have rights and liberties, and even when having committed a crime it does not give license to any force necessary. Warrants must be had, protocol must be followed, the rights of the individual upheld. Just because a suspect has taken refuge somewhere does not mean that you have license to destroy the building by any means necessary to "smoke them out" or directly cause their death when not directly threatened. Using draconian and authoritative means as you suggest only proves men like Dorner right.

There is only one solution - abide by the consequences and responsibilities of freedom.
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Once again - There is no excuse for a live terrorist like Dorner - that, like all bad things in life, is a marksmanship or burner issue.
 
ric27 said:
Once again - There is no excuse for a live terrorist like Dorner - that, like all bad things in life, is a marksmanship or burner issue.
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I think the word "terrorist" is well overused.
 
Ikari said:
I think the word "terrorist" is well overused.
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Here's the deal....Fat boy could have surrendered peace fully at any time. He chose not to.... instead, he wanted to go out in a big fiery blaze of glory and that's what happened.

BBQ style
 
Ray410 said:
Completely wrong. The story remains black and white. The usual liberal giddiness when a black kills whites and claims "Just Cause" remains part of the mentally diseased liberal pathology. We have seen it year after year with cop killer Mumia Abu Jamal and now you're seeking the same love and worship for this piece of human sewage.

Try and shift your love and devotion for just a moment from the killer to all of the innocent families that he has hurt and destroyed. Try real hard.

Why do the loons hate the police so much?
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Total unmittigated bull****. Typical Right Wing Radio Nonsense. Much like the epic fail Palinese "Real American" turd that didn't float. I am a lefty, I am happy he went up in flames. Whether he had a case or not, he brought this end upon himself.
 
ric27 said:
Here's the deal....Fat boy could have surrendered peace fully at any time. He chose not to.... instead, he wanted to go out in a big fiery blaze of glory and that's what happened.

BBQ style
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Here's the deal.....the support of execution of suspect by the police is sick. It's against the very principles of a Republic based on the rights and liberties of the individual. If he wasn't pointing a gun at them (being an analogy for directly threatening their lives), they are not authorized to kill him. And they certainly cannot set buildings on fire to try to get suspects to leave. That's right out. I don't care what idiotic emotional plea you try to throw out. The rights and liberties of the individual must be upheld to the maximum.
 
Ikari said:
Here's the deal.....the support of execution of suspect by the police is sick. It's against the very principles of a Republic based on the rights and liberties of the individual. If he wasn't pointing a gun at them (being an analogy for directly threatening their lives), they are not authorized to kill him. And they certainly cannot set buildings on fire to try to get suspects to leave. That's right out. I don't care what idiotic emotional plea you try to throw out. The rights and liberties of the individual must be upheld to the maximum.
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Dorner made his decision, and he was not going down without a battle. LAPD didn't keep the bg down in there it was Dorner who decided to not leave, thus...he ****ed himself
 
ric27 said:
Humans are social animals. That is why mobs *mob mentality* will do such crazy things.

Get a group together for support, and the difficult becomes much easier....

Try it
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That same self-feeding 'mob mentality' can also be easily applied to the LAPD.
 
ric27 said:
Here's the deal....Fat boy could have surrendered peace fully at any time. He chose not to.... instead, he wanted to go out in a big fiery blaze of glory and that's what happened.

BBQ style
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Good for you!

Nice word choice!

I am sure that you also supported the Federal actions at Ruby Ridge and Waco.

The jury is not yet in yet whether the LAPD murdered Dorner, or he did himself in.

Looks like you strongly condone murder by Law Enforcement.
 
ric27 said:
Dorner made his decision, and he was not going down without a battle. LAPD didn't keep the bg down in there it was Dorner who decided to not leave, thus...he ****ed himself
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They set the fire. If I set your house on fire, should I be absolved of all murder or manslaughter charges? I mean you didn't make it out, it was your fault not mine. You wanted it that way.

That's your argument and I hope you can see now how absolutely retarded the argument actually is.
 
Ikari said:
They set the fire. If I set your house on fire, should I be absolved of all murder or manslaughter charges? I mean you didn't make it out, it was your fault not mine. You wanted it that way.

That's your argument and I hope you can see now how absolutely retarded the argument actually is.
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SMTA said:
Good for you!

Nice word choice!

I am sure that you also supported the Federal actions at Ruby Ridge and Waco.

The jury is not yet in yet whether the LAPD murdered Dorner, or he did himself in.

Looks like you strongly condone murder by Law Enforcement.
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To both....

1 Dorner had plenty of opportunities to surrender. There was no need to start on a murderous rampage to begin with

2 Blaming anyone else or any system for his killings is pure retard.

Now, focus your energies on giving thanks for all the LE efforts and especially for those who gave their lives and condemn a man *like Dorner* who betrayed his oaths to support and defend the Constitution and to protect the people, the same ones he murdered

Focus hard
 
ric27 said:
To both....

1 Dorner had plenty of opportunities to surrender. There was no need to start on a murderous rampage to begin with

2 Blaming anyone else or any system for his killings is pure retard.

Now, focus your energies on giving thanks for all the LE efforts and especially for those who gave their lives and condemn a man *like Dorner* who betrayed his oaths to support and defend the Constitution and to protect the people, the same ones he murdered

Focus hard
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Protect who again?
 
Vapor said:
Back in 2002...



Full Story at: ENE Archives: Vance students turn in lost church money » Local news » The Enid News and Eagle, Enid, OK

This puts into question the apparent insanity of Dorner. From reading this story and his original manifesto, he seems less like a madman and more like a decent guy who snapped at the injustices he'd seen. Doesn't change the fact that he's killed 3 people, but it makes this story seem a bit less black and white.
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This is a nuclear version of what I tell my kids. If you are wronged and you have an inappropriate response, the original wrong becomes unimportant and your wrong response becomes the problem.

Life is not fair, especially to a black man in America, and it is noble and worthy to try and change that. But to even think of changing it with violence detracts from whatever point you may have wanted to make.

I could agree with every word the guy wrote, I wouldn't know, I won't be reading it.
 
Ikari said:
They set the fire. If I set your house on fire, should I be absolved of all murder or manslaughter charges? I mean you didn't make it out, it was your fault not mine. You wanted it that way.

That's your argument and I hope you can see now how absolutely retarded the argument actually is.
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I have mixed feelings about the LAPD actions, especially with how little I know about what went down. But, I'm not sure I follow your logic. If police repeatedly warned someone to drop a gun then the person raised the gun and pointed at the officers instead, would the officers be charged with murder for firing at he person? After all, they did shoot the bullets that killed the person.
 
The Police apparently did intentionally start a fire at teh front of the cabin.



"Then the shooting apparently stopped. Dorner found himself surrounded by police, who moved in and began to tear down the walls of the cabin.

"All right, we're gonna go forward with the burn ... like we talked about," said a voice on a local police scanner frequency. "We have fire in the front, he might come out the back."

A single gunshot was heard from inside the cabin.

Had Dorner shot himself? Police will not yet say.

At about 6 p.m. local time, the cabin was engulfed in flames..."




Dorner manhunt: A car chase, a gunfight and a fiery cabin - CNN.com


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ric27 said:
To both....

1 Dorner had plenty of opportunities to surrender. There was no need to start on a murderous rampage to begin with

2 Blaming anyone else or any system for his killings is pure retard.

Now, focus your energies on giving thanks for all the LE efforts and especially for those who gave their lives and condemn a man *like Dorner* who betrayed his oaths to support and defend the Constitution and to protect the people, the same ones he murdered

Focus hard
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Well, silly me!

i blame Dorner for what he did.

You want me to thank the LAPD for terrorizing innocent people, and shooting up vehicles based upon a loose color similiarity and injuring innocent civilians?

You want me to thank the LAPD for their determined focus on violating the civil rights of innocent civilians?

The LAPD is guilty for the same lack of judgement that Dorner had.

Dorner, an alleged murderer, has the same presumption of innocence as any other citizen until proven guilty in a court of law, period.

The LAPD is not judge, jury, and executioner.

The fact that Dorner killed cops is no different than killing civilians, but the LAPD does not understand that.

Screw the LAPD.
 
Pilot said:
I have mixed feelings about the LAPD actions, especially with how little I know about what went down. But, I'm not sure I follow your logic. If police repeatedly warned someone to drop a gun then the person raised the gun and pointed at the officers instead, would the officers be charged with murder for firing at he person? After all, they did shoot the bullets that killed the person.
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That wasn't the case here. Dude was holed up and they set fire to the building. If he was directly threatening their lives that's one thing. waiting till someone takes refuge and then setting it on fire is not an act one makes in self-defense; but rather in murder.
 
ric27 said:
To both....

1 Dorner had plenty of opportunities to surrender. There was no need to start on a murderous rampage to begin with

2 Blaming anyone else or any system for his killings is pure retard.

Now, focus your energies on giving thanks for all the LE efforts and especially for those who gave their lives and condemn a man *like Dorner* who betrayed his oaths to support and defend the Constitution and to protect the people, the same ones he murdered

Focus hard
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Yes give thanks to the government who robbed its own citizen of his right to a fair trial through devious and suspect means. All glory to the State. All hail the Government!
 
Screw LA cops. They made me knee down in glass and pointed a gun at my ****in' head for no reason.

Told him there was glass on the ground and he just yelled and proceeded to point the gun at my head, forcing me to kneel in glass at gunpoint.

They put my life in danger by pointing that weapon directly at my head. Of course I was passive, had zero weapons and gave them ZERO reason to do this. A female cop frisked the crap outa me and violated my body but im not going to cry about that aspect of the encounter. It had been a while since a female last touched me.

I wish there was some way I could get a cop fired for doing that to me.... He pointed a ****in gun at my head for no reason. When something like this happens to you then you realize that 1 bad apple really does spoil the whole bunch in this case. It matters when they almost always have eachothers backs even when they do wrong.

Another time when I got a DUI in longbeach (i was drunk I deserved it) the cop trumped up the report and said I was resisting arrest and being belidgerent. That never happened... I was calm and respectful the whole time and never once resisted anything. But now some report is in some database somewhere saying I resist arrest... All because some cop decided to tell a little lie. Whats the purpose of this anyways? Inventing stuff to make violators seem "more criminal"? The only thing I can think of is quotas to meet or racketing money for the city by trumping up fake crap.

Ive also been harrassed by a cop just for walking down the street. I never once broke any law or consented to anything and he searched me. Found nothing and made some bull**** excuse on why he stopped me. (He said I met the description of suspect of a burglary but I could totally tell he was lying out of his teeth)

Then ANOTHER time I got pulled over and had a female officer pull me behind her dashcam and then proceeded to feel up my whole body while a hulking man cop stood there with his arms crossed mad-dogging me the whole time. (but again I wont count this against cops as I kinda enjoyed it)

Then one time I called the cops and they helped me. So I have 3 experiences with ****ty, bad cops (one of these by the LAPD) and 1 experience with a good cop... I think something may be wrong with society.

I have never had a gang member make me kneel in glass, point a gun at my head and then proceed to grope my body. But I have had cops do that.... They are ****in' thugs.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Screw LA cops. They made me knee down in glass and pointed a gun at my ****in' head for no reason.

Told him there was glass on the ground and he just yelled and proceeded to point the gun at my head, forcing me to kneel in glass at gunpoint.

They put my life in danger by pointing that weapon directly at my head. Of course I was passive, had zero weapons and gave them ZERO reason to do this. A female cop frisked the crap outa me and violated my body but im not going to cry about that aspect of the encounter. It had been a while since a female last touched me.

I wish there was some way I could get a cop fired for doing that to me.... He pointed a ****in gun at my head for no reason. When something like this happens to you then you realize that 1 bad apple really does spoil the whole bunch in this case. It matters when they almost always have eachothers backs even when they do wrong.

Another time when I got a DUI in longbeach (i was drunk I deserved it) the cop trumped up the report and said I was resisting arrest and being belidgerent. That never happened... I was calm and respectful the whole time and never once resisted anything. But now some report is in some database somewhere saying I resist arrest... All because some cop decided to tell a little lie. Whats the purpose of this anyways? Inventing stuff to make violators seem "more criminal"? The only thing I can think of is quotas to meet or racketing money for the city by trumping up fake crap.

Ive also been harrassed by a cop just for walking down the street. I never once broke any law or consented to anything and he searched me. Found nothing and made some bull**** excuse on why he stopped me. (He said I met the description of suspect of a burglary but I could totally tell he was lying out of his teeth)

Then ANOTHER time I got pulled over and had a female officer pull me behind her dashcam and then proceeded to feel up my whole body while a hulking man cop stood there with his arms crossed mad-dogging me the whole time. (but again I wont count this against cops as I kinda enjoyed it)

Then one time I called the cops and they helped me. So I have 3 experiences with ****ty, bad cops (one of these by the LAPD) and 1 experience with a good cop... I think something may be wrong with society.

I have never had a gang member make me kneel in glass, point a gun at my head and then proceed to grope my body. But I have had cops do that.... They are ****in' thugs.
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How did your subsequent lawsuit work out? You did file a suit didn't you?
 
hfd said:
How did your subsequent lawsuit work out? You did file a suit didn't you?
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Nope. In all cases it would be he says vs she says. Im not dumb enough to waste my time.
 
hfd said:
How did your subsequent lawsuit work out? You did file a suit didn't you?
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I would have at least, if it is true, filed a complaint with IAD after each incident.

The complaint would go into the officers file and if you can show a pattern of harrassment, you can take legal action.

That is if the incidents really happened the way he said they did.
 
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