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    Re: The Voter Fraud That ‘Never Happens’ Keeps Coming Back

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Ah. More lies and/or ignorance. Lovely. Let's ask someone who's actually researched this, shall we?

    "Critics of [voter ID] laws (myself included) have doubted both their necessity and their ability to keep elections honest. The only type of fraud that a strict photo ID rule would actually prevent is voter impersonation fraud (I go to the polls pretending to be you), and, in fact, voter impersonation fraud is exceedingly rare. In Indiana, where the Republican-dominated legislature passed one of the first new ID laws in 2005 (on a straight party-line vote), there had been no known instances of voter impersonation in the state’s history. In Texas, a strict ID law was enacted last year, although the 2008 and 2010 elections gave rise to only five formal complaints about voter impersonation (out of 13 million votes cast). “There are more UFO and Bigfoot sightings than documented cases of voter impersonation,” quipped one Texas Democrat. Close inspection of the RNLA’s inventory of election fraud, moreover, has found it to be flawed and misleading; most election experts believe that the greatest threat to election integrity comes from absentee ballots—a threat that would not be addressed by the current laws.

    As importantly, the burdens placed on prospective voters by these ID requirements are not trivial. Men and women who already possess driver’s licenses or passports, of course, will be unaffected. (So too will those in Texas who have permits to carry concealed weapons—since those permits meet the ID requirement.) But citizens who lack such documents will now be obliged to assemble various other pieces of paper (birth certificates, naturalization forms, proof of residence, etc.) and make their way (presumably without a car) to a government office that can issue an official photo ID. Who are these men and women? Studies indicate that they are disproportionately young or elderly, poor, black, and Hispanic; demographically, they are more likely than not to vote Democratic. (In states covered by the Voting Rights Act, such as Texas and South Carolina, the photo ID laws are being challenged by the Department of Justice on the grounds that they disproportionately affect minorities.) The number of people potentially affected is considerable: the Texas secretary of state, for example, estimates that at least 600,000 already registered voters do not possess the documents to cast ballots in November. New York University’s respected Brennan Center for Justice has estimated that a total of more than five million people may lack the requisite identification documents in states that have passed new ID laws."
    -http://harvardmagazine.com/2012/07/voter-suppression-returns

    So, in a nutshell - Voter ID laws only impact the least likely possible type of voter fraud (voter impersonation), do nothing to address the more likely (but still extremely rare) problem of absentee ballot fraud (the type specifically mentioned in the article in the OP), and disproportionately impact Democratic voters.

    Yeah. Clearly justice in action.
    More bull from the liberal programmers, thank you for that constructive reply. Voter ID's would restrict what we saw in Ohio and Pennsylvania. I fly enough to know this I have seen many fliers rejected because of ID's sometimes arrested.

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    Re: The Voter Fraud That ‘Never Happens’ Keeps Coming Back

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Translation: "I only trust sources that confirm my pre-existing biases."
    We agree, you do.

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    Re: The Voter Fraud That ‘Never Happens’ Keeps Coming Back

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Translation: "I only trust sources that confirm my pre-existing biases."
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the above from the guy that used the term 'fox snooze' in a previous post in this thread?

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    Re: The Voter Fraud That ‘Never Happens’ Keeps Coming Back

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I don't pay attention to the huffington post or media matters. But the New York Times has far more credibility as a source of news then some unknown author at the daily caller, or some fantasy espoused by the drudge report
    The NY Times is biased, as anyone taking an objective look at them can easily tell...

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    Re: The Voter Fraud That ‘Never Happens’ Keeps Coming Back

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    NO........they don't.
    How many years has the drudge report or the daily caller been in the business. The New York time has been in the buissness long before drudge took his first baby steps as a toddler

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    Re: The Voter Fraud That ‘Never Happens’ Keeps Coming Back

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    More bull from the liberal programmers, thank you for that constructive reply. Voter ID's would restrict what we saw in Ohio and Pennsylvania. I fly enough to know this I have seen many fliers rejected because of ID's sometimes arrested.
    Wait - because you've seen people get arrested at airports, voter ID laws would stop a nonexistent voter impersonation problem? Okay.

    Also, are you seriously asserting that the Texas Secretary of STate is a "liberal programmer"?

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    Re: The Voter Fraud That ‘Never Happens’ Keeps Coming Back

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I don't pay attention to the huffington post or media matters. But the New York Times has far more credibility as a source of news then some unknown author at the daily caller, or some fantasy espoused by the drudge report
    The bolded portion makes me question if you have ever been to the Drudge Report site. They VERY RARELY (never ?) espouse anything solely but rater link to VARIOUS news sources...oftentimes huffpo and NYT...heck, direct links to the VAST majority of newsites and reporters/'opinionist' of ALL 'flavors' are ALWAYS included on their page...
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    Re: The Voter Fraud That ‘Never Happens’ Keeps Coming Back

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the above from the guy that used the term 'fox snooze' in a previous post in this thread?

    Irony meters are spiking.
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    Re: The Voter Fraud That ‘Never Happens’ Keeps Coming Back

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    What is wrong with using a social security check as proof in order to vote? Or using student I.ds as proof? Or court documents or birth certificates?

    I'm fine with all of them, except college ID's and Court Documents.

    The Education establishment is in the hip pocket of the Democrat Party.

    So are the Trial Lawyers.

    Both groups rank #1 and #2 as contributors to the Democrats, and both professions don't have the greatest reputation for integrity.

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    Re: The Voter Fraud That ‘Never Happens’ Keeps Coming Back

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    What is wrong with using a social security check as proof in order to vote? Or using student I.ds as proof? Or court documents or birth certificates?
    ? can YOU determine with certainty that one who produces court documents, birth certificate, or social security check is the in fact the one on said documents? If so how, without a photo?
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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