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Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

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Anybody want to argue that we are actually seeing this kind of increase in our disabled v those who simply have figured out a new way to get free money from the government?


The number of American workers collecting federal disability payments climbed to yet another record high of 8,830,026 in January, up from 8,827,795 in December, according to newly released data from the Social Security Administration.

This is the 192[SUP]nd[/SUP] straight month that the number of American workers collecting federal disability payments has increased. The last time the number of Americans collecting disability decreased was in January 1997. That month the number of workers taking disability dropped by 249 people—from 4,385,623 in December 1996 to 4,385,374 in January 1997....


In December 1968, 1,295,428 Americans collected disability and 65,630,000 worked full-time. Thus, there were about 51 Americans working full-time for each person collecting disability at that time. In January 1997, the last time the number of disability beneficiaries declined, 4,385,374 Americans collected disability and 104,900,000 worked full-time. Thus, there were then about 24 Americans working full-time for each person collecting disability.
In January 2013, with a record 8,830,026 Americans collecting disability and 115,918,000 working fulltime, there were only 13 Americans working full-time for each person collecting disability....
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And those 13 are also supporting the people on Welfare, Social Security, Medicaid, Unemployment.... yeesh. No wonder we have trillion dollar deficits.
 
cpwill said:
Anybody want to argue that we are actually seeing this kind of increase in our disabled v those who simply have figured out a new way to get free money from the government?




And those 13 are also supporting the people on Welfare, Social Security, Medicaid, Unemployment.... yeesh. No wonder we have trillion dollar deficits.
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There is only one exception we know of for people drawing full disability that also does not have a cash-income job too. For one family we know, the husband, wife and now one of the children who turned 18 all are on 100% disability. Their yard service business brings in an additional $70,000 per year and - being cash - they of course pay no income taxes either as do none of those on full disability with sideline cash incomes.

I know there are people who truly are disabled. However, there is NO investigation mechanism even in existence to catch or investigate fraud.
 
So what is the solution again? oh yeah, put all those people out on the streets. Don't worry they are disabled so when they riot all we have to do is kick out their fake leg and then they flop around on the pavement like a fish. Don't worry, CP doesn't just want them to die, he wants to destroy your life also. You see, when these people have no more money to spend they will have to stop buying stuff. This will cause another downturn in our economy which will put more people out of work who CP also supports having them die in the gutter. Since those people will also not have money to spend then we will cut more demand and more jobs.

Yes people CP actually wants to destroy america with his plan of eliminating almost all demand for products and killing off every one of your jobs. At least it is not just cripples he doesn't care about. Of course, some of us who understand economics know you cannot support supply and demand off the one percent, but don't let simple things get in the way of faux outrage.
 
tererun said:
So what is the solution again? oh yeah, put all those people out on the streets. Don't worry they are disabled so when they riot all we have to do is kick out their fake leg and then they flop around on the pavement like a fish. Don't worry, CP doesn't just want them to die, he wants to destroy your life also. You see, when these people have no more money to spend they will have to stop buying stuff. This will cause another downturn in our economy which will put more people out of work who CP also supports having them die in the gutter. Since those people will also not have money to spend then we will cut more demand and more jobs.

Yes people CP actually wants to destroy america with his plan of eliminating almost all demand for products and killing off every one of your jobs. At least it is not just cripples he doesn't care about. Of course, some of us who understand economics know you cannot support supply and demand off the one percent, but don't let simple things get in the way of faux outrage.
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Yes, rage away as if you give a damn - when you don't at all.

People who commit disability fraud steal from those who truly are disabled by watering down the available funds for those who truly need it. Do you care? Do you care that disability fraud is actually stealing those who truly are disabled? No, you don't give a damn, do you? Not a word commenting that there is no enforcement nor investigation to prevent such fraud and theft.

Rather, you go into the ad nauseau mindless sheeple partisan raging on behalf of welfare fraudsters.

There is a simple difference between my message and yours. Mine does care about theft and fraud of the public treasury and from those who truly need assistance. And in your message you don't give a damn about the truly disabled nor those that steal by fraud from the SS system. You just created your own strawman of putting the truly disabled out on the street - which he didn't post - and the go off on some MSNBC rant against the "one percent" - as if that has any relevancy to this topic whatsoever.

Bottomline? You don't care about the disabled one iota. You just look for excuses to do pointless partisan ranting - and, yes, faux ranting.
 
tererun said:
So what is the solution again? oh yeah, put all those people out on the streets. Don't worry they are disabled so when they riot all we have to do is kick out their fake leg and then they flop around on the pavement like a fish. Don't worry, CP doesn't just want them to die, he wants to destroy your life also. You see, when these people have no more money to spend they will have to stop buying stuff. This will cause another downturn in our economy which will put more people out of work who CP also supports having them die in the gutter. Since those people will also not have money to spend then we will cut more demand and more jobs.

Yes people CP actually wants to destroy america with his plan of eliminating almost all demand for products and killing off every one of your jobs. At least it is not just cripples he doesn't care about. Of course, some of us who understand economics know you cannot support supply and demand off the one percent, but don't let simple things get in the way of faux outrage.
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^^^ This post is pure hackery.
 
cpwill said:
Anybody want to argue that we are actually seeing this kind of increase in our disabled v those who simply have figured out a new way to get free money from the government?




And those 13 are also supporting the people on Welfare, Social Security, Medicaid, Unemployment.... yeesh. No wonder we have trillion dollar deficits.
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Now add those who draw government employment checks working for government at various levels... and add those on food stamps, public assistance, housing assistance... and add military payrolls... and add those who ae surviving spouse dependencies.... and add those on social security - and then do the math of how many private sector employees there are compared to the number of adult Americans receiving money from the government in one way or another. Is it even a 1 to 1 ratio anymore?
 
cpwill said:
Anybody want to argue that we are actually seeing this kind of increase in our disabled v those who simply have figured out a new way to get free money from the government?
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It'll be a mixture of both with lots of fuzzy complications in between. There is certainly bad practice and corruption but dealing with that isn't as easy as looking at some raw numbers and jumping to conclusions.
 
What there needs to be is:

1. An actual investigation department of the agency that investigates for disability fraud.
2. There needs to be a whistle-blower bounty to report disability fraud - for example 50% of 1 year's worth of disability payments the fraudster would have continued to receive.
3. HIGHLY publicized CRIMINAL prosecutions of documentable disablity fraud.
4. HIGHLY publicized CIVIL litigation against documentable disabilty fraud.

The same should be true for medicare/medicad fraud, food stamps fraud - and ALL fraud against the public treasury - including corporate contracts and contractors, banks, etc, etc.

Disability and welfare fraud STEALS FROM THOSE WHO TRULY NEED IT - but watering down the available funds. If two people are disability and one of those is a fraud, they have stolen HALF of the money the truly disabled person could receive.

In addition, it is SO known there is massive levels of fraud with ZERO enforcement that 1.) there is no reason for anyone not to try and 2.) many people then oppose social programs knowing it is laced with fraud and the government is indifferent to it.
 
cpwill said:
Anybody want to argue that we are actually seeing this kind of increase in our disabled v those who simply have figured out a new way to get free money from the government?




And those 13 are also supporting the people on Welfare, Social Security, Medicaid, Unemployment.... yeesh. No wonder we have trillion dollar deficits.
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We are seeing an increase in our disabled, especially those who have psychological disabilities. Ever since the de-institutionalization instituted during the Reagan years, there have been more folks who are disabled due to mental health issues needing government assistance.
 
One big hurdle to get disability is being unemployed for at least a year, but with recent UI extensions that is no longer a problem. I don't pretend to know all of the ways to "qualify" as disabled but do know that "substance abuse" coupled with "personality disorder" will make the cut. There are countless disability "experts" (lawyers) that advertise on television for that $5,000 fee (paid only out of your SS "arrears", and only if you "win") that accompanies "success" in getting you on the federal list of "officially" disabled. A quick web search will reveal many of these "helpers" so that you too can "qualify".

12.09 Substance addiction disorders: Behavioral changes or physical changes associated with the regular use of substances that affect the central nervous system.

The required level of severity for these disorders is met when the requirements in any of the following (A through I) are satisfied.

A. Organic mental disorders. Evaluate under 12.02.

B. Depressive syndrome. Evaluate under 12.04.

C. Anxiety disorders. Evaluate under 12.06.

D. Personality disorders. Evaluate under 12.08.

E. Peripheral neuropathies. Evaluate under 11.14.

F. Liver damage. Evaluate under 5.05.

G. Gastritis. Evaluate under 5.00.

H. Pancreatitis. Evaluate under 5.08.

I. Seizures. Evaluate under 11.02 or 11.03.
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Listing of Impairments - Adult Listings (Part A)
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
We are seeing an increase in our disabled, especially those who have psychological disabilities. Ever since the de-institutionalization instituted during the Reagan years, there have been more folks who are disabled due to mental health issues needing government assistance.
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Yep, there are so many issues that have bubbled up because of our piss poor treatment of people with mental health issues.
 
tererun said:
So what is the solution again? oh yeah, put all those people out on the streets. Don't worry they are disabled so when they riot all we have to do is kick out their fake leg and then they flop around on the pavement like a fish. Don't worry, CP doesn't just want them to die, he wants to destroy your life also. You see, when these people have no more money to spend they will have to stop buying stuff. This will cause another downturn in our economy which will put more people out of work who CP also supports having them die in the gutter. Since those people will also not have money to spend then we will cut more demand and more jobs.

Yes people CP actually wants to destroy america with his plan of eliminating almost all demand for products and killing off every one of your jobs. At least it is not just cripples he doesn't care about. Of course, some of us who understand economics know you cannot support supply and demand off the one percent, but don't let simple things get in the way of faux outrage.
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Please. I could go to a psychologist tomorrow, and get diagnosed with "anxiety" and get SSDI.

If you think disability benefits going only to people in wheel chairs, then you have sadly been duped.
 
joko104 said:
What there needs to be is:

1. An actual investigation department of the agency that investigates for disability fraud.
2. There needs to be a whistle-blower bounty to report disability fraud - for example 50% of 1 year's worth of disability payments the fraudster would have continued to receive.
3. HIGHLY publicized CRIMINAL prosecutions of documentable disablity fraud.
4. HIGHLY publicized CIVIL litigation against documentable disabilty fraud.

The same should be true for medicare/medicad fraud, food stamps fraud - and ALL fraud against the public treasury - including corporate contracts and contractors, banks, etc, etc.

Disability and welfare fraud STEALS FROM THOSE WHO TRULY NEED IT - but watering down the available funds. If two people are disability and one of those is a fraud, they have stolen HALF of the money the truly disabled person could receive.

In addition, it is SO known there is massive levels of fraud with ZERO enforcement that 1.) there is no reason for anyone not to try and 2.) many people then oppose social programs knowing it is laced with fraud and the government is indifferent to it.
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The gov't is not indifferent to it, it actively encourages it. Find one year that these payments went down. Gov't (and each dept., agency and program in it) will always spend its "budget" and ask for more next year. Consider what affect on your "work attitutde" would result if achieving "success" in your job meant that less workers/promotions were needed (maybe even your job/promotion would go away). Elected officials also know that people getting gov't assistance tend to vote for those that offer more and better benefits; some, like Pelosi and tererun, will even assert that these programs have a positive effect on the economy!
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
We are seeing an increase in our disabled, especially those who have psychological disabilities. Ever since the de-institutionalization instituted during the Reagan years, there have been more folks who are disabled due to mental health issues needing government assistance.
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I call BS. These people were deinstitutionalized and then proceeded to be right as rain for 15 years before suddenly re-developing their disability?

If we had seen a sudden, sharp, immediate flooding of these people to the disability rolls, then that would be indicative. But the steady increase we have seen is nothing of the sort, but rather similar to what they have seen in Britain.
 
tererun said:
So what is the solution again? oh yeah, put all those people out on the streets. Don't worry they are disabled so when they riot all we have to do is kick out their fake leg and then they flop around on the pavement like a fish. Don't worry, CP doesn't just want them to die, he wants to destroy your life also. You see, when these people have no more money to spend they will have to stop buying stuff. This will cause another downturn in our economy which will put more people out of work who CP also supports having them die in the gutter. Since those people will also not have money to spend then we will cut more demand and more jobs.

Yes people CP actually wants to destroy america with his plan of eliminating almost all demand for products and killing off every one of your jobs. At least it is not just cripples he doesn't care about. Of course, some of us who understand economics know you cannot support supply and demand off the one percent, but don't let simple things get in the way of faux outrage.
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Hey, Look!


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A really stupid - looking strawman!
 
cpwill said:
I call BS. These people were deinstitutionalized and then proceeded to be right as rain for 15 years before suddenly re-developing their disability?

If we had seen a sudden, sharp, immediate flooding of these people to the disability rolls, then that would be indicative. But the steady increase we have seen is nothing of the sort, but rather similar to what they have seen in Britain.
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Raising the SS benefit age is certainly a factor, as is the UI extension program. I predicted this very thing when the SS benefit age was raised. While a desk jockey may continue to work productively until age 69, most tradesmen cannot. At age 59, just try to get hired as a carpenter, plumber or electrician. Disability pays more than a being a Walmart greeter and you don't have the commuting expenses that go with that low-paying job either. Once you are retired (or disabled) you are free to relocate to a low(er) cost area and enjoy life, freed of the need to spend 1/4 (or more) of your pay just to keep working.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Raising the SS benefit age is certainly a factor, as is the UI extension program. I predicted this very thing when the SS benefit age was raised. While a desk jockey may continue to work productively until age 69, most tradesmen cannot. At age 59, just try to get hired as a carpenter, plumber or electrician. Disability pays more than a being a Walmart greeter and you don't have the commuting expenses that go with that low-paying job either. Once you are retired (or disabled) you are free to relocate to a low(er) cost area and enjoy life, freed of the need to spend 1/4 (or more) of your pay just to keep working.
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Which is precisely why we need a more flexible system that provides those people with the kind of financial independence they would need to retire at 59 without becoming a net drain on the system.
 
joko104 said:
There is only one exception we know of for people drawing full disability that also does not have a cash-income job too. For one family we know, the husband, wife and now one of the children who turned 18 all are on 100% disability. Their yard service business brings in an additional $70,000 per year and - being cash - they of course pay no income taxes either as do none of those on full disability with sideline cash incomes.

I know there are people who truly are disabled. However, there is NO investigation mechanism even in existence to catch or investigate fraud.
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If you know this family is committing fraud then is it not your responsibility as a tax payer to report them?
 
cpwill said:
Which is precisely why we need a more flexible system that provides those people with the kind of financial independence they would need to retire at 59 without becoming a net drain on the system.
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That is indeed a great plan, but only for those young enough to use it (should it ever happen). To save even more taxpayer money we should alter the gov't retirement system to prevent any gov't retirement benefits from being paid prior to reaching that magic SS benefit age. For those folks now 40 or older they (and we) must endure the current deal.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That is indeed a great plan, but only for those young enough to use it (should it ever happen). To save even more taxpayer money we should alter the gov't retirement system to prevent any gov't retirement benefits from being paid prior to reaching that magic SS benefit age. For those folks now 40 or older they (and we) must endure the current deal.
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Not completely necessarily, by allowing private owned accounts to immediately begin paying partial benefits, we can reduce the cost to the "trust fund", and by means testing the benefit floor at the very top we can ensure a greater level of security for those at the bottom.

But yeah - for the full switch to individual financial independence for our lower income earners, it's going to take time for compound interest to take effect.
 
joko104 said:
What there needs to be is:

1. An actual investigation department of the agency that investigates for disability fraud.
2. There needs to be a whistle-blower bounty to report disability fraud - for example 50% of 1 year's worth of disability payments the fraudster would have continued to receive.
3. HIGHLY publicized CRIMINAL prosecutions of documentable disablity fraud.
4. HIGHLY publicized CIVIL litigation against documentable disabilty fraud.

The same should be true for medicare/medicad fraud, food stamps fraud - and ALL fraud against the public treasury - including corporate contracts and contractors, banks, etc, etc.

Disability and welfare fraud STEALS FROM THOSE WHO TRULY NEED IT - but watering down the available funds. If two people are disability and one of those is a fraud, they have stolen HALF of the money the truly disabled person could receive.

In addition, it is SO known there is massive levels of fraud with ZERO enforcement that 1.) there is no reason for anyone not to try and 2.) many people then oppose social programs knowing it is laced with fraud and the government is indifferent to it.
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While I have no problem with that, there needs to be MORE government workers to do this and that's something conservatives have said they are dead set against. So what is the solution then?
 
I think a lot of it is a result of people getting desperate because they can't find employment and they are turning to disability fraud as a last resort to survive.
 
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