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    Re: Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What there needs to be is:

    1. An actual investigation department of the agency that investigates for disability fraud.
    2. There needs to be a whistle-blower bounty to report disability fraud - for example 50% of 1 year's worth of disability payments the fraudster would have continued to receive.
    3. HIGHLY publicized CRIMINAL prosecutions of documentable disablity fraud.
    4. HIGHLY publicized CIVIL litigation against documentable disabilty fraud.

    The same should be true for medicare/medicad fraud, food stamps fraud - and ALL fraud against the public treasury - including corporate contracts and contractors, banks, etc, etc.

    Disability and welfare fraud STEALS FROM THOSE WHO TRULY NEED IT - but watering down the available funds. If two people are disability and one of those is a fraud, they have stolen HALF of the money the truly disabled person could receive.

    In addition, it is SO known there is massive levels of fraud with ZERO enforcement that 1.) there is no reason for anyone not to try and 2.) many people then oppose social programs knowing it is laced with fraud and the government is indifferent to it.
    While I have no problem with that, there needs to be MORE government workers to do this and that's something conservatives have said they are dead set against. So what is the solution then?

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    Re: Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

    What's sad about this is that work place injuries have been on the decline for decades.
    Even before Nixon created OSHA.
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    Re: Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

    I don't know of anybody that is against prosecuting against fraud.
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    Re: Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

    I think a lot of it is a result of people getting desperate because they can't find employment and they are turning to disability fraud as a last resort to survive.

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    Re: Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I don't know of anybody that is against prosecuting against fraud.
    If I remember right, the fraud "detectors" only look for it, during the process of applying.
    After approval, it's over.

    A lot of people have gotten wise to that.
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    Re: Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    So what is the solution again? oh yeah, put all those people out on the streets. Don't worry they are disabled so when they riot all we have to do is kick out their fake leg and then they flop around on the pavement like a fish. Don't worry, CP doesn't just want them to die, he wants to destroy your life also. You see, when these people have no more money to spend they will have to stop buying stuff. This will cause another downturn in our economy which will put more people out of work who CP also supports having them die in the gutter. Since those people will also not have money to spend then we will cut more demand and more jobs.

    Yes people CP actually wants to destroy america with his plan of eliminating almost all demand for products and killing off every one of your jobs. At least it is not just cripples he doesn't care about. Of course, some of us who understand economics know you cannot support supply and demand off the one percent, but don't let simple things get in the way of faux outrage.
    Yeah, of COURSE the solution is to just walk away...'cause that's what everybody is saying, right?



    How about we focus on adaptive programs that would help place individuals with disabilities into working positions that don't make it near impossible for them to do their jobs? ADA is one thing, but obviously it isn't enough if we have 8 million+ people drawing disability instead of working.

    I managed a gentleman who was paralyzed from waist to toe. He worked 35-45 hours a week covering the janitorial, box office, and concession positions in a movie theater. He worked his way through certification to become a real estate agent and ended up acquiring his license about 18 months in. Now he sells houses and makes about 2x a year more than me. But technically he could just sit and draw disability at 100%...he did it for three years before he decided he wanted more out of life than total dependence on others.

    I've seen mentally retarded adults trained in a multitude of service positions, from mechanical repair, to stocking, to housekeeping, to back-of-house services in animal boarding facilities.

    I've seen morbidly obese people perform a multitude of jobs, from truck driving to office work to carpet cleaning to management to sales.

    The fact is, many of the "disabled" aren't incapable. We hide behind ADA saying we've done enough, and anybody that isn't working after ADA laws can't work, so the only option is to just pay 'em off and let 'em wallow. That's pretty ignorant and insulting, IMO. While there are certainly a number of disabled Americans who are temporarily unable to work, and a smaller number who are permanently unable to work, the majority don't fall into either category. So why do we relegate them to a position where they're little more than wards of the state? Why are we not instituting short-term, one-time-expense programs that will help them acquire a modified or new skill set that will allow them to succeed with the challenges they face from their disability?

    But I can see why somebody would post a bunch of hyperbolic B.S. strawman nonsense....why discuss practical solutions when it's so much easier to insult somebody who suggests the current system is broken?
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    Re: Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If I remember right, the fraud "detectors" only look for it, during the process of applying.
    After approval, it's over.

    A lot of people have gotten wise to that.
    Yeah they certainly need to continually check for fraud.
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    Re: Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Yeah, of COURSE the solution is to just walk away...'cause that's what everybody is saying, right?



    How about we focus on adaptive programs that would help place individuals with disabilities into working positions that don't make it near impossible for them to do their jobs? ADA is one thing, but obviously it isn't enough if we have 8 million+ people drawing disability instead of working.

    I managed a gentleman who was paralyzed from waist to toe. He worked 35-45 hours a week covering the janitorial, box office, and concession positions in a movie theater. He worked his way through certification to become a real estate agent and ended up acquiring his license about 18 months in. Now he sells houses and makes about 2x a year more than me. But technically he could just sit and draw disability at 100%...he did it for three years before he decided he wanted more out of life than total dependence on others.

    I've seen mentally retarded adults trained in a multitude of service positions, from mechanical repair, to stocking, to housekeeping, to back-of-house services in animal boarding facilities.

    I've seen morbidly obese people perform a multitude of jobs, from truck driving to office work to carpet cleaning to management to sales.

    The fact is, many of the "disabled" aren't incapable. We hide behind ADA saying we've done enough, and anybody that isn't working after ADA laws can't work, so the only option is to just pay 'em off and let 'em wallow. That's pretty ignorant and insulting, IMO. While there are certainly a number of disabled Americans who are temporarily unable to work, and a smaller number who are permanently unable to work, the majority don't fall into either category. So why do we relegate them to a position where they're little more than wards of the state? Why are we not instituting short-term, one-time-expense programs that will help them acquire a modified or new skill set that will allow them to succeed with the challenges they face from their disability?

    But I can see why somebody would post a bunch of hyperbolic B.S. strawman nonsense....why discuss practical solutions when it's so much easier to insult somebody who suggests the current system is broken?
    They have the "ticket to work" program, but if I remember the statistics correctly.
    Only about 1% of people use it.
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    Re: Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They have the "ticket to work" program, but if I remember the statistics correctly.
    Only about 1% of people use it.
    Optional programs aren't the answer. There are optional work-training programs for welfare recipients in Texas, but they're all but completely unused. If you make an assessment and placement program mandatory as part of receipt of any income supplement (SS retirement excluded), I'm betting you'll see more people advancing themselves in the long-run than we currently see.

    "We'll process your app for disability aid and determine based upon your interview, survey, and medical assessment whether you need full long-term supplementation or short-term financial aid and job training services."
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    Re: Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Optional programs aren't the answer. There are optional work-training programs for welfare recipients in Texas, but they're all but completely unused. If you make an assessment and placement program mandatory as part of receipt of any income supplement (SS retirement excluded), I'm betting you'll see more people advancing themselves in the long-run than we currently see.

    "We'll process your app for disability aid and determine based upon your interview, survey, and medical assessment whether you need full long-term supplementation or short-term financial aid and job training services."
    I'm pretty familiar with these programs.
    At least for people who are on SSI.

    If they make too much and work too long, they lose the medical benefits.
    Of the two people I know, both were born with life long birth defects.
    Their medical situations will never be cheap.

    Letting them keep their medical benefits, but dropping the checks, I nearly guarantee both would go to work.
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