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    Re: Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    We are seeing an increase in our disabled, especially those who have psychological disabilities. Ever since the de-institutionalization instituted during the Reagan years, there have been more folks who are disabled due to mental health issues needing government assistance.
    Yep, there are so many issues that have bubbled up because of our piss poor treatment of people with mental health issues.
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    Re: Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    So what is the solution again? oh yeah, put all those people out on the streets. Don't worry they are disabled so when they riot all we have to do is kick out their fake leg and then they flop around on the pavement like a fish. Don't worry, CP doesn't just want them to die, he wants to destroy your life also. You see, when these people have no more money to spend they will have to stop buying stuff. This will cause another downturn in our economy which will put more people out of work who CP also supports having them die in the gutter. Since those people will also not have money to spend then we will cut more demand and more jobs.

    Yes people CP actually wants to destroy america with his plan of eliminating almost all demand for products and killing off every one of your jobs. At least it is not just cripples he doesn't care about. Of course, some of us who understand economics know you cannot support supply and demand off the one percent, but don't let simple things get in the way of faux outrage.
    Please. I could go to a psychologist tomorrow, and get diagnosed with "anxiety" and get SSDI.

    If you think disability benefits going only to people in wheel chairs, then you have sadly been duped.

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    Re: Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What there needs to be is:

    1. An actual investigation department of the agency that investigates for disability fraud.
    2. There needs to be a whistle-blower bounty to report disability fraud - for example 50% of 1 year's worth of disability payments the fraudster would have continued to receive.
    3. HIGHLY publicized CRIMINAL prosecutions of documentable disablity fraud.
    4. HIGHLY publicized CIVIL litigation against documentable disabilty fraud.

    The same should be true for medicare/medicad fraud, food stamps fraud - and ALL fraud against the public treasury - including corporate contracts and contractors, banks, etc, etc.

    Disability and welfare fraud STEALS FROM THOSE WHO TRULY NEED IT - but watering down the available funds. If two people are disability and one of those is a fraud, they have stolen HALF of the money the truly disabled person could receive.

    In addition, it is SO known there is massive levels of fraud with ZERO enforcement that 1.) there is no reason for anyone not to try and 2.) many people then oppose social programs knowing it is laced with fraud and the government is indifferent to it.
    The gov't is not indifferent to it, it actively encourages it. Find one year that these payments went down. Gov't (and each dept., agency and program in it) will always spend its "budget" and ask for more next year. Consider what affect on your "work attitutde" would result if achieving "success" in your job meant that less workers/promotions were needed (maybe even your job/promotion would go away). Elected officials also know that people getting gov't assistance tend to vote for those that offer more and better benefits; some, like Pelosi and tererun, will even assert that these programs have a positive effect on the economy!
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    Re: Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    We are seeing an increase in our disabled, especially those who have psychological disabilities. Ever since the de-institutionalization instituted during the Reagan years, there have been more folks who are disabled due to mental health issues needing government assistance.
    I call BS. These people were deinstitutionalized and then proceeded to be right as rain for 15 years before suddenly re-developing their disability?

    If we had seen a sudden, sharp, immediate flooding of these people to the disability rolls, then that would be indicative. But the steady increase we have seen is nothing of the sort, but rather similar to what they have seen in Britain.

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    Re: Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    So what is the solution again? oh yeah, put all those people out on the streets. Don't worry they are disabled so when they riot all we have to do is kick out their fake leg and then they flop around on the pavement like a fish. Don't worry, CP doesn't just want them to die, he wants to destroy your life also. You see, when these people have no more money to spend they will have to stop buying stuff. This will cause another downturn in our economy which will put more people out of work who CP also supports having them die in the gutter. Since those people will also not have money to spend then we will cut more demand and more jobs.

    Yes people CP actually wants to destroy america with his plan of eliminating almost all demand for products and killing off every one of your jobs. At least it is not just cripples he doesn't care about. Of course, some of us who understand economics know you cannot support supply and demand off the one percent, but don't let simple things get in the way of faux outrage.
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    Re: Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I call BS. These people were deinstitutionalized and then proceeded to be right as rain for 15 years before suddenly re-developing their disability?

    If we had seen a sudden, sharp, immediate flooding of these people to the disability rolls, then that would be indicative. But the steady increase we have seen is nothing of the sort, but rather similar to what they have seen in Britain.
    Raising the SS benefit age is certainly a factor, as is the UI extension program. I predicted this very thing when the SS benefit age was raised. While a desk jockey may continue to work productively until age 69, most tradesmen cannot. At age 59, just try to get hired as a carpenter, plumber or electrician. Disability pays more than a being a Walmart greeter and you don't have the commuting expenses that go with that low-paying job either. Once you are retired (or disabled) you are free to relocate to a low(er) cost area and enjoy life, freed of the need to spend 1/4 (or more) of your pay just to keep working.
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    Re: Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Raising the SS benefit age is certainly a factor, as is the UI extension program. I predicted this very thing when the SS benefit age was raised. While a desk jockey may continue to work productively until age 69, most tradesmen cannot. At age 59, just try to get hired as a carpenter, plumber or electrician. Disability pays more than a being a Walmart greeter and you don't have the commuting expenses that go with that low-paying job either. Once you are retired (or disabled) you are free to relocate to a low(er) cost area and enjoy life, freed of the need to spend 1/4 (or more) of your pay just to keep working.
    Which is precisely why we need a more flexible system that provides those people with the kind of financial independence they would need to retire at 59 without becoming a net drain on the system.

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    Re: Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There is only one exception we know of for people drawing full disability that also does not have a cash-income job too. For one family we know, the husband, wife and now one of the children who turned 18 all are on 100% disability. Their yard service business brings in an additional $70,000 per year and - being cash - they of course pay no income taxes either as do none of those on full disability with sideline cash incomes.

    I know there are people who truly are disabled. However, there is NO investigation mechanism even in existence to catch or investigate fraud.
    If you know this family is committing fraud then is it not your responsibility as a tax payer to report them?
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    Re: Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Which is precisely why we need a more flexible system that provides those people with the kind of financial independence they would need to retire at 59 without becoming a net drain on the system.
    That is indeed a great plan, but only for those young enough to use it (should it ever happen). To save even more taxpayer money we should alter the gov't retirement system to prevent any gov't retirement benefits from being paid prior to reaching that magic SS benefit age. For those folks now 40 or older they (and we) must endure the current deal.
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    Re: Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is indeed a great plan, but only for those young enough to use it (should it ever happen). To save even more taxpayer money we should alter the gov't retirement system to prevent any gov't retirement benefits from being paid prior to reaching that magic SS benefit age. For those folks now 40 or older they (and we) must endure the current deal.
    Not completely necessarily, by allowing private owned accounts to immediately begin paying partial benefits, we can reduce the cost to the "trust fund", and by means testing the benefit floor at the very top we can ensure a greater level of security for those at the bottom.

    But yeah - for the full switch to individual financial independence for our lower income earners, it's going to take time for compound interest to take effect.

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