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Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure, Announced On Hacked Gov Site

Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure,

So you're saying our founding fathers didn't start the revolution with letters, pamphlet's, civil demonstrations, "tea party's" ,etc and it only started when King George sent troops and King George didn't label them as Terrorists?

OK if you say so ..... lol .....

They're like a more pathetic band of Sons of Liberty. I don't like the Sons of Liberty already, let alone messianic internet freaks.
 
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Odd that people are talking about the founding fathers and anonymous. I couldn't give a **** about the founding fathers either way, and obviously anonymous is a bunch of people hiding behind computer screens but:

"The necessity of procuring good intelligence is apparent and need not be further urged. All that remain for me to add is that you keep the whole matter secret as possible. For upon secrecy, success depends in most enterprises of the kind, and for want of it, they are generally defeated"

That was said by George Washington. Do you think he'd think that all the information that a state has should be shared with the world? Really?
 
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The new battleground...the new weapons...meaningless.

These criminals and terrorists have no core beliefs or principles...let alone a shred of honor. They attack whomever they perceive a beef with currently. They don't care whom they harm in the course of their actions.

They are nothing more than terrorist and opportunists who get their rocks off by showing off their internet hacking skill.

Like I said...rats.

So any act of civil obedience, whistle blowers exposing government's dirty dealings are rats and terrorists that should be as you stated "killed"?

Or are you just lumping Anonymous together with all hackers?

BTW the U.S. Government (along with most all other governments) also hack sites on the net. So you lumping them in with Anonymous or are you saying if government does it that it's ok?
 
Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure,

So any act of civil obedience, whistle blowers exposing government's dirty dealings are rats and terrorists that should be as you stated "killed"?

Or are you just lumping Anonymous together with all hackers?

BTW the U.S. Government (along with most all other governments) also hack sites on the net. So you lumping them in with Anonymous or are you saying if government does it that it's ok?

When your acts of civil (dis)obedience, whistleblowing and the like involve criminal acts that threaten innocents along with their target...yes. I would consider them terrorists who should be treated as such. They are no better than the suicide bomber who blows himself up on a busy street outside of the police station...except these people you are trying to defend don't even have the conviction to put their lives on the line like that suicide bomber does.

Like I said...rats.
 
Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure

Odd that people are talking about the founding fathers and anonymous. I couldn't give a **** about the founding fathers either way, and obviously anonymous is a bunch of people hiding behind computer screens but:

"The necessity of procuring good intelligence is apparent and need not be further urged. All that remain for me to add is that you keep the whole matter secret as possible. For upon secrecy, success depends in most enterprises of the kind, and for want of it, they are generally defeated"

That was said by George Washington. Do you think he'd think that all the information that a state has should be shared with the world? Really?

The government we have today bears nothing in resemblance to what was founded. What would George say about "indefinite detention" of U.S. Citizens for example?

For the record I'm no fanboy of Anonymous but I cheer those who risk their lives to expose the shady dealings of our government. If you don't think hacking into government sites and exposing their dirty laundry isn't risking their life you need to wake up.
 
Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure

When your acts of civil (dis)obedience, whistleblowing and the like involve criminal acts that threaten innocents along with their target...yes. I would consider them terrorists who should be treated as such. They are no better than the suicide bomber who blows himself up on a busy street outside of the police station...except these people you are trying to defend don't even have the conviction to put their lives on the line like that suicide bomber does.

Like I said...rats.

Give me an example of what Anonymous has exposed that has exposed "threaten innocents along with their target"?
 
Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure

The government we have today bears nothing in resemblance to what was founded. What would George say about "indefinite detention" of U.S. Citizens for example?

For the record I'm no fanboy of Anonymous but I cheer those who risk their lives to expose the shady dealings of our government. If you don't think hacking into government sites and exposing their dirty laundry isn't risking their life you need to wake up.

So is that a yes or no to Washington being a fan of people sharing government secrets? Please don't shift the goalposts.

Who said anything about life risking? I don't even know what you mean about that anyway. Are they going to executed? Are they going to disappear without their families knowing what happened to them? What are you even talking about, and why?
 
Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure

So is that a yes or no to Washington being a fan of people sharing government secrets? Please don't shift the goalposts.

Who said anything about life risking? I don't even know what you mean about that anyway. Are they going to executed? Are they going to disappear without their families knowing what happened to them? What are you even talking about, and why?

No I'm not shifting the goal posts, if one exposes actual information that would lead to the deaths like locations/identities of operatives is "not" what Anonymous is doing nor have they. They are threatened to expose data that will "embarrass", Apples and Rocks.

As for the life threatening, I'd say spending decades in prison risking ones life. Not to mention what will happen to them under the "Patriot Act".
 
Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure

No I'm not shifting the goal posts,

Okay, well, with specific regards to the founding fathers supporting anonymous, and with that quote in mind, do you think George Washington would support the leaking of state secrets?

As for the life threatening, I'd say spending decades in prison risking ones life. Not to mention what will happen to them under the "Patriot Act".

Oh, so you mean it in a vague and figurative way, as opposed to a literal way. Okay. Well people risk their lives, then, by making poor choices in high school and whatnot. Virtually everything is life risking, using your argumentation.
 
Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure, Gov Site

Okay, well, with specific regards to the founding fathers supporting anonymous, and with that quote in mind, do you think George Washington would support the leaking of state secrets?

I couldn't and wouldn't want to put words in Georges mouth. But seeing what our government has become and they way the literally wipe their ass's with the Constitution one could only wonder.


Oh, so you mean it in a vague and figurative way, as opposed to a literal way. Okay. Well people risk their lives, then, by making poor choices in high school and whatnot. Virtually everything is life risking, using your argumentation.

Yeah I'm speaking in a "figurative" way, and you'll have to excuse my short bullet posts. I'm using my Android tablet.

Anyway it's obvious from what I've seen in this thread that most all are lumping them in with all hackers and don't understand.
 
Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure, Gov Site

I couldn't and wouldn't want to put words in Georges mouth. But seeing what our government has become and they way the literally wipe their ass's with the Constitution one could only wonder.

Okay, well you can feel free to use his: "For upon Secrecy, Success depends in Most Enterprises of the kind, and for want of it, they are generally defeated"

Yeah I'm speaking in a "figurative" way, and you'll have to excuse my short bullet posts. I'm using my Android tablet.

Well yeah, considering my first post in this thread was about how anonymous criticizes the US government but hides behind the protections that government affords, as opposed to China, where people protesting really do "risk their life", you can see my issue. But anonymous would rather release documents from Western governments who they know won't excute them and rarely, because of PR issues because of the simpletons that support them, even prosecute them. As opposed to, ya know, release and protest governments that actually will make their own citizens disappear. To look at anonymous' protests, things like the US, JSTOR, the UK, et al are the world's bad guys. Folks like China, Syria, Iran, Pakistan, etc...anonymous doesn't pay attention to them.

Weird.

Anyway it's obvious from what I've seen in this thread that most all are lumping them in with all hackers and don't understand.

Sure, no true Scotsman.
 
Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure

Okay, well you can feel free to use his: "For upon Secrecy, Success depends in Most Enterprises of the kind, and for want of it, they are generally defeated"

So do you believe that government's dirty secrets shouldn't ever be exposed? That everything the government does is totally off limits?


Well yeah, considering my first post in this thread was about how anonymous criticizes the US government but hides behind the protections that government affords, as opposed to China, where people protesting really do "risk their life", you can see my issue. But anonymous would rather release documents from Western governments who they know won't excute them and rarely, because of PR issues because of the simpletons that support them, even prosecute them. As opposed to, ya know, release and protest governments that actually will make their own citizens disappear. To look at anonymous' protests, things like the US, JSTOR, the UK, et al are the world's bad guys. Folks like China, Syria, Iran, Pakistan, etc...anonymous doesn't pay attention to them.

Weird.

If you had checked on the background of Anonymous there is no real "head" , they are a loosely based group of activists spanning the globe.

I'm all for exposing all governments dirt, especially China. You know their gulags (the Lao Gai), what they're doing to Tibet, etc., etc. They're openly hostile against the U.S. but we continue to kiss their ass's even though they're hell bent on burying the U.S.

Sure, no true Scotsman.

Just giving my opinion.
 
Re: Constrictive Hacking!

There is nothing positive about this at all.

This is a terrorist act and should be treated accordingly.

There is nothing good at all? Our government is going well outside of what is permitted under the Constitution I think of these as freedom fighters and what is being threatened will kill no one but embarrass someone. How do you think it rates as terrorism?
 
Re: Constrictive Hacking!

Yes it does. However, that does not give ANYONE the right to break into classified documents and make them public. Especially not knowing who and what might be put in danger by the publication of those documents.

If you had read the article it said the files will be heavily redacted. And the video did say that they did do consideration of what the consequences to those who would be involved. The targets are the officials and employees of the justice department and will be distributed if the government fails to obey the Constitution.
 
Re: Constrictive Hacking!

And the proper, non-terrorist method for dealing with such people is included in the Constitution...you vote them out of office.

You DON'T attack our government.


The problem is we do not have the ability to chose candidates that will follow the Constitution since the politicians determine the eligibility of what candidates are allowed. And Anonymous' solution is better than the one we will soon be left with which is insurrection.
 
Re: Constrictive Hacking!

Until they show the balls to go after China with all the dirty laundry they have, they are just cowards going after a target they know they can hit to look good.

Selective activism is little better than selective outrage and thats about what this is.

I'm sure Anonymous considers the US a greater threat and can be more easily rectified than China. I don't doubt that there are members of Anonymous seeing where they can target China. I do believe that the outgoing Premier of China was targeted due to nepotism his family benefited by billions of dollars due to corruption.
 
Re: Constrictive Hacking!

No offense but there are a lot more crappy places they could be targeting with much deeper civil and human rights violations.

And most of those are hell holes and cannot threaten the international community. The US is the 800 pound gorilla of the world and its government is increasingly growing lawless I fear that the day may be soon at hand that the true patriots of this country must decide to die for what it stands for.
 
Re: Constrictive Hacking!

Pretty much all terrorists think they have a just cause - it's what drives them to such extreme actions. Sometimes, in principal, they do have a just cause. That doesn't stop them being terrorists and doesn't stop their terrorism being wrong.

By your reasoning the War for American Independence was wrong.
 
Re: Constrictive Hacking!

Even worse they inspire intrusive measures that might not otherwise ever be authorized or placed into law.

You don't think that those in government already have plans as such and would do so anyway in a little while?
 
Re: Constrictive Hacking!

My point is, it always seems to be time to target the US as corrupt and having dirty secrets. There are worse places out there. The US is a target of opportunity, not principle.

Given what the US government is doing what Anonymous is doing is a matter of principal.
 
Re: Constrictive Hacking!

If it ain't the Government withholding information, it is the Hacktivists. :doh
Apparently they aren't any better that the Government. I wonder if they see their own hypocrisy?

“The contents are various and we won’t ruin the speculation by revealing them. Suffice it to say, everyone has secrets, and some things are not meant to be public. At a regular interval commencing today, we will choose one media outlet and supply them with heavily redacted partial contents of the file. Any media outlets wishing to be eligible for this program must include within their reporting a means of secure communications.”

Maybe they want to minimize collateral damage.
 
Re: Constrictive Hacking!

Of course I'm repeating it. I'm mocking you.

It's like you didn't know that people in China vanish because they're critical of the government is a thing. Like you didn't know it was such a thing that they actually say someone has "been vanished", using 消失, to describe that someone has just up and disappeared, after being critical of the government. It's like you didn't know that at all, and still had the nerve to call me sheltered. So yeah, I just mocked you.

But stick it to The Man, dude!

Your position is idiotic because you're claiming that anonymous is attacking the US government vs the Chinese government because you think that in America you have the FREEDOM to hack the government.

Is Anonymous just an American thing? Or do they operate more in the US as opposed to China because they have the freedom to do so without disappearing here?

Yes, they sat down one day and started listing countries. When they came to China they said "No, they could fly to our countries and make us disappear", and when talking about America "Yes! That's perfect! In America you have the freedom to hack the government!"

You popping in every few pages with a childish assertion like this isn't really contributing to the debate.
 
Re: Constrictive Hacking!

And how much change will result from stealing credit card numbers, interfering with a government serving it's people, and posting flashing gifs on a message board for epileptics?

Are you stating that Anonymous steals credit card numbers and posts flashing gifs on a message board for epileptics? And as far as the government serving its people I think you may have a different deffinition of "serve".
 
Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure

Give me an example of what Anonymous has exposed that has exposed "threaten innocents along with their target"?

There are numerous examples listed at this site: Timeline of events associated with Anonymous - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But here's just one of them:

AAPT attack

In July 2012, Anonymous hacked Australian ISP AAPT and later leaked 40 GB of partially redacted customer data to protest data retention policy.
 
Re: Constrictive Hacking!

1. Manning is not part of the press.
2. Ummm...exactly where IS Manning right now? Oh, yeah...IN JAIL!!

Didn't say that he was a part of the Press did I? But he was a wistleblower to the press. And yes he is in jail. How many other whistleblowers are in jail?

Again, your correlation between the press and Anonymous...fails.

What makes up "the press"?

I will never root for Anonymous because they are criminals and terrorists. They belong in jail...or dead.

Exposing the truth makes one a terrorist and a criminal? Tell me, who exactly is terrorized by Anonymous?
 
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