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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Which is war. As for the players that decide to play by rules they are only limiting their ability to fight. Rules in war simply makes no sense.
    I'm hardly referring to anything so grandiose as "laws of warfare." War is not chaos. You need order to conduct a war. Else it simply becomes a free-for-all, which is not a war.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    War is the absence of rules. Thats what happens when wars are started.
    No, and in fact there have been rules at some level for war for hundreds if years.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    War has no rules by its very nature. As for the players that decide to play by rules they are only limiting their ability to fight. Rules in war simply makes no sense and to wage war in such a way is idiotic.
    This is simply false and historically ignorant. What rules, both formal and Informal, that exist in war are there since the benefit both sides.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Yes, yes, they hate us for our freedom...

    Any 'mistakes' will depend on what additional liberties can be stripped from the American people as a result...
    It's always been against the law to commit treason. So don't worry about being stripped of a right you never had.

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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is simply false and historically ignorant. What rules, both formal and Informal, that exist in war are there since the benefit both sides.
    What do you think happens when you find an opponent that doesn't care for your rules, but instead is aware of them and takes advantage of them? Want to know? It's called losing.
    Last edited by Henrin; 01-30-13 at 09:55 PM.

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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    In my partial defence, I first used the phrase "practically terrorism" and others seem to have only picked up on the second word.

    That said, I don't entirely agree with your definitions. Terrorism can still constitute an attack against government, politicians even soldiers (outside combat zones), not just "innocents". The key point in this context is that it is an attack or threat used to force a change in policy.

    Freedom fighters are people fighting for freedom. They may commit terrorism or they may not. The terms aren't mutually exclusive.

    What Anonymous in this case seem to be doing it stating that they have some damaging information and have threatened to release it if government doesn’t implement the policies they're demanding. They've not stated what the information is or who it entails though they have referred to "collateral damage", suggesting some "innocents" could be harmed by the release too.

    To my mind, it is only the lack of actual physical threats that differentiates their actions from the literal definition of terrorism and, in context, I don't think the distinction is all that significant. That somewhat depends on the nature of the information of course.

    To be honest, the word terrorism is something of a distraction here. The word blackmail most certainly does apply, that is most certainly a criminal act and whether you agree with the aims of the blackmail doesn't change that one jot.
    Well, this is an exercise in semantics I'll admit, I offered my take on the distiction based on my exasperation with the overkill in word usage.

    I live in Chicago, where I can make a strong case for the words 'Mayor' and 'terrorist' to be viewed as synonyms...

    it's all subjective...

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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It's always been against the law to commit treason. So don't worry about being stripped of a right you never had.
    So when are we rounding up the politicians?

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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What do you think happens when you find an opponent that doesn't care for your rules, but instead is aware of them and takes advantage of them? Want to know? It's called losing.
    Two recent examples. First is Vietnam, where the end result of one side not following the rules was a prize barely worth winning. Second is Iraq, where it completely backfired, generating more support for the US than they would have had. It is a strategy of desperation, and even when it works, the damage done usually outweighs the benefit.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That is not a very good definition of war at all.

    War has many rules.

    The absence of rules is chaos.
    Excactly my point war IS choas. If you ever become involved personally in one you will understand. People like to think there are rules. It keeps them comfy at night I suppose.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Two recent examples. First is Vietnam, where the end result of one side not following the rules was a prize barely worth winning. Second is Iraq, where it completely backfired, generating more support for the US than they would have had. It is a strategy of desperation, and even when it works, the damage done usually outweighs the benefit.
    Yeah, and in both cases we lost

    Now think of what would happen if our opponents are of equal strength. Can anyone say ass kicking?

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