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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    My point is, it always seems to be time to target the US as corrupt and having dirty secrets. There are worse places out there. The US is a target of opportunity, not principle.
    Thats cuz if they targeted some other countries, their secret service agencies tend to make people get disappeared.

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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I really believe it an injustice to the victims of terrorism that the use of the word terrorist and terrorism is thrown about in such a cavalier manner

    A terrorist is a person or group of people who attack innocent mon-involved people and/or non-specific/involved locations to bring about a change in governmental or organizational policy

    A freedom fighter(s) is/are a person or group of people who attack specific and involved people and/ or locations to bring about a change in governmental or organizational policy.

    If Anonymous were to hack the bank records and emails of individuals who have no involvement in governmental or economic decision making and spray them all over the web demanding resolutions be made that coincide with their agenda and that forfeiture to do so will result in more invasions of privacy on people who have no relation to the subject matter -- than you can call them terrorists.
    The FBI has a different interpretation of a terrorist....

    FBI — Terrorism 2002/2005

    If Anonymous -- like they've done -- hack into governmental and corporate websites, files, etc. etc. and individuals who are involved with the decision making of these governmental and economic policies and in doing so are demanding so sort of change as they'd like to see it, these individuals or groups of individuals must not be viewed as terrorists. They may be viewed as freedom fighters if you argree with their agenda or they can be considered hostiles. They aren't attacking the innocent they are attacking a specific target or groups of targets who directly can afffect the outcome they so desire.

    That is the difference.
    Anonymous declared war on the US government. That kinda qualifies them as an enemey of the state doesn't it?

    Anonymous Declares War On U.S Government - YouTube

    For years, the US government didn't take Al Qaeda seriously after they declared war on the US. Do you really think the US govenment is going to make that same mistake again?

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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    My point is, it always seems to be time to target the US as corrupt and having dirty secrets. There are worse places out there. The US is a target of opportunity, not principle.
    As Americans, we are naturally more concerned about what the US government is doing compared to any other government. Why? Because our government directly impacts us while the Chinese government doesn't.

    But if it makes you feel any better, Anonymous has an operation to shut down Syrian government websites.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If they're pushing for something that a person doesn't agree with, of course they won't support it.
    Of course, but my point is that they'd be condemning the means, blackmail and cyber-attacks, as well as (or maybe even instead of) the aims. If the means are legitimate for aims you support, they're legitimate for aims you don't. If you say it's OK for Anonymous to blackmail politicians with stolen information, you're saying it's OK for anyone to blackmail politicians with stolen information.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Wikileaks exposed war crimes, and I'm sure you were screaming the same terrorist BS you are now, right along with our politicians.
    No as it happens, though Wikileaks is an entirely different concept and I don't think relevant to this discussion.

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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    Of course, but my point is that they'd be condemning the means, blackmail and cyber-attacks, as well as (or maybe even instead of) the aims. If the means are legitimate for aims you support, they're legitimate for aims you don't. If you say it's OK for Anonymous to blackmail politicians with stolen information, you're saying it's OK for anyone to blackmail politicians with stolen information.
    That's not at all what it's saying. I don't know anybody who says an acceptable means of dealing with one thing is an acceptable means of dealing with EVERYTHING. It's acceptable for someone to kill someone in self defense, it's not acceptable to kill someone because they don't like them. It's acceptable for the US to step in to prevent mass genocide, it's not acceptable for them to invade a country for oil. The reasoning behind it always comes into play as to whether a means is justified.

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    No as it happens, though Wikileaks is an entirely different concept and I don't think relevant to this discussion.
    I think it's very similar. The government wants to control the flow of information, in every facet, especially the internet, and some people are standing up to them. Simple as that.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Thats cuz if they targeted some other countries, their secret service agencies tend to make people get disappeared.
    Do you really believe our government doesn't make people disappear? Hell, even Obama's drones turn the inhabitants of an entire street corner into a fine pink mist. Abracadabra, he's a magician.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    If it ain't the Government withholding information, it is the Hacktivists.
    Apparently they aren't any better that the Government. I wonder if they see their own hypocrisy?


    “The contents are various and we won’t ruin the speculation by revealing them. Suffice it to say, everyone has secrets, and some things are not meant to be public. At a regular interval commencing today, we will choose one media outlet and supply them with heavily redacted partial contents of the file. Any media outlets wishing to be eligible for this program must include within their reporting a means of secure communications.”

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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Anybody else notice the article the OP shared with us was dated the 26th? What are the updates to this? Was there a deadline to their demands? Any response from govt officials?
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    Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure, Announced On Hacked Gov Sit

    It appears that the secrets will come a cost: Anonymous claims that there will be “collateral damage” if they are reluctantly forced to expose the information, presumably related to individuals who they think are associated with, but responsible for, the offensive laws.
    "Reluctantly forced to expose the information"?

    Like an abusive husband is reluctantly forced to hit his wife because she STILL leaves her top button undone.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    It's a worldwide organization. And did you really just suggest that the US government doesn't make people disappear who they label as terrorists?

    Good thing our American constitutional freedoms give them the power to hack the government and release files. That must be why they're so attracted to America. What a sheltered world you must live in.
    lol? Was that serious? How sheltered you must be...
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    Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure, Announced On Hacked Gov Sit

    Quote Originally Posted by Pagan View Post
    Good. I wish the propaganda machine wasn't so successful that people will dismiss this; but they shouldn't. We need to pay attention, else the Republic is doomed.
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