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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    While I'm reading this thread, I can't help but think of this quote:

    "One cannot possible be a terrorist if he stands by a just cause."


    Guess we'll see where this goes.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. I just so happen to agree that the attacks on our constitutional right to trial and other such crimes by our government need to stop, which is why I wholeheartedly believe what they are doing is morally just.
    So anything goes as long as you get what they want? Maybe Anonymous should start paying bribes, kidnapping politicians families or blowing up buildings? After all, they'd still be your "freedom fighters".

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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    While I'm reading this thread, I can't help but think of this quote:

    "One cannot possible be a terrorist if he stands by a just cause."
    Pretty much all terrorists think they have a just cause - it's what drives them to such extreme actions. Sometimes, in principal, they do have a just cause. That doesn't stop them being terrorists and doesn't stop their terrorism being wrong.

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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    Pretty much all terrorists think they have a just cause - it's what drives them to such extreme actions. Sometimes, in principal, they do have a just cause. That doesn't stop them being terrorists and doesn't stop their terrorism being wrong.
    Of course, but in the end it all levels to to the subjectivity of the cause and the terrorism associated with it.

    I have no dog in this fight, but I remain curious as to how it will play out.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Its a game...until you get caught. Believe in your cause...hack away. Just dont be shocked when there are consequences to your actions. Funny how they claim Aaron Schwartz was 'killed'...'murdered'. No...Aaron Schwartz was 'caught' and he didnt think it was fair that their should be consequences, so he killed himself. Brad Manning was 'caught' and he doesnt like the consequences. Thats the gig...play the game, but dont be shocked when the other guys have people ALSO trained to play the game.

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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    So anything goes as long as you get what they want? Maybe Anonymous should start paying bribes, kidnapping politicians families or blowing up buildings? After all, they'd still be your "freedom fighters".
    Exposing constitutional violations, war crimes, or other atrocities is not a violent act. You comparing it to one is beyond ridiculous. If you'd like to explain how it's even remotely similar, we'd all love to hear it.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its a game...until you get caught. Believe in your cause...hack away. Just dont be shocked when there are consequences to your actions. Funny how they claim Aaron Schwartz was 'killed'...'murdered'. No...Aaron Schwartz was 'caught' and he didnt think it was fair that their should be consequences, so he killed himself. Brad Manning was 'caught' and he doesnt like the consequences. Thats the gig...play the game, but dont be shocked when the other guys have people ALSO trained to play the game.
    I agree, they do need to know what they're getting themselves into when they go to war like this, and I think they do. Aaron Schwartz however isn't even in the same ballpark as this. I do agree saying he was killed is ridiculous, but he certainly was unduly prosecuted and to an extreme degree. Although he did break into a broom closet, he allegedly had legal access to JSTOR, and JSTOR didn't even press charges. Threatening 20+ years in prison for such a thing is ridiculous.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    While I'm reading this thread, I can't help but think of this quote:

    "One cannot possible be a terrorist if he stands by a just cause."


    Guess we'll see where this goes.
    The problem is...individuals define 'just cause' just as they define "right or wrong". Individuals do not define the law.

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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    If our government would have been following the Constitution and stayed transparent....this wouldn't be an issue now would it?

    Anonymous should release those files ASAP. We have the right to know what our government is doing. If they won't come out and say it than these guys should do it.

    They are not terrorists as has been defined recently. They do not bring terror onto the populous. They bring terror to those who have committed wrongful acts against the people...aka the government. I find that to be fantastic. Hold their feet to the fire and let them burn in their own wrongdoings.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    Pretty much all terrorists think they have a just cause - it's what drives them to such extreme actions. Sometimes, in principal, they do have a just cause. That doesn't stop them being terrorists and doesn't stop their terrorism being wrong.
    I really believe it an injustice to the victims of terrorism that the use of the word terrorist and terrorism is thrown about in such a cavalier manner.

    A terrorist is a person or group of people who attack innocentmon-involved people and/or non-specific/involved locations to bring about a change in governmental or organizational policy.

    A freedom fighter(s) is/are a person or group of people who attack specific and involved people and/ or locations to bring about a change in governmental or organizational policy.

    If Anonymous were to hack the bank records and emails of individuals who have no involvement in governmental or economic decision making and spray them all over the web demanding resolutions be made that coincide with their agenda and that forfeiture to do so will result in more invasions of privacy on people who have no relation to the subject matter -- than you can call them terrorists.

    If Anonymous -- like they've done -- hack into governmental and corporate websites, files, etc. etc. and individuals who are involved with the decision making of these governmental and economic policies and in doing so are demanding so sort of change as they'd like to see it, these individuals or groups of individuals must not be viewed as terrorists. They may be viewed as freedom fighters if you argree with their agenda or they can be considered hostiles. They aren't attacking the innocent they are attacking a specific target or groups of targets who directly can afffect the outcome they so desire.

    That is the difference.

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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Anonymous is civil disobedience. Sure they should be prosecuted if caught, but it is hardly anything comparable to what China does to the US computer networks 24/7.

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