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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    My, what a strange world you live in where you get to ignore words people write in an effort to bitch about them.

    Did you notice the word he used in terms of "SPECIFIC" wrong doing.

    Had Manning taken the Gunship video and audio, reported it in appropriate fashion in accordance with Whistleblower laws, there'd be no issue. He'd be a whistleblower. He'd have been exposing a legitimate specific wrong-doing.

    That's not what he did. Manning released a crap ton of material, much of which was in no way, shape, or form things that would be classified as legitimate for Whistleblowing purposes, and happened to have some things within the large stash tha the released that were actually problematic.

    That's the difference of saying the police can arrest a specific person who committed a crime...and then saying it's the same thing if the police arrest 50 people and 2 of those people happen to have committed a crime, so it's okay.
    I don't find that persuasive in the least. It's rather like saying that because Daniel Ellsberg did not go through the chain of command he was not a whistleblower either.

    Government sophistry is what you present. You want me to believe that exposing government crimes is good and correct, ONLY IF one goes through the chain of command. Nonsense.

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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol there was nothing criminal about that. That's just people who don't know anything about war being disturbed about it.
    There was nothing criminal about shooting unarmed civilians and journalists?

    Next you're going to tell me that Lt. Calley was doing his duty. Yeah, LOL.

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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    There was nothing criminal about shooting unarmed civilians and journalists?
    They weren't armed? You sure about that, Tex?

    Next you're going to tell me that Lt. Calley was doing his duty. Yeah, LOL.
    lol no. You clearly don't understand rules of engagement and have never been under fire.

    But the ignorant can vote too, and thus our problem.
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    Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure, Announced On Hacked Gov Sit

    Quote Originally Posted by Pagan View Post
    Anonymous is already infiltrated

    ****** division will pick up, the few loose ends

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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    They weren't armed? You sure about that, Tex?



    lol no. You clearly don't understand rules of engagement and have never been under fire.

    But the ignorant can vote too, and thus our problem.
    No Pancho, they weren't armed. US thought they were armed, but the 'guns' turned out to be cameras. I'm wondering if you've heard the audio from the ship's intercom?

    Yes Pancho, I've been shot at and missed, sh*t at and hit. I did the Vietnam thing, ya' know? Helicopter Ambulance. We were medics, and flew unarmed, with Red Cross insignia, in compliance with Geneva Conventions. VC didn't care too much about the Red Cross insignia, just like you don't care too much about shooting civilians.

    My, how things don't change.

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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    Bradley Manning wasn't a whistleblower. A whistleblower is someone who comes across evidence of specific wrong-doing and raises it through the appropriate channels (which, as a last resort, could include going public).

    Manning gathered vast swathes of data that he couldn't possibly know the contents of and passed it all on to unknown third parties with no real idea of what they would do with it. Some of that data did involve evidence of wrong-doing but Manning didn't blow the whistle on that.
    I agree that Manning went about what he did the wrong way. Its the only reason that I agree that what he did was treasonous. He did what he did out of revenge and that is what makes what he did wrong. It is the intent that matters with me.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I'll just point out that Manning NEVER went to the press with the information he stole.
    Yes he did. Wikileaks is part of the Press wether you agree with it or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The press? The media.
    Awefully short answer there. Want to be more specific? Because with your answer anything that is media involved, including digital forms of releasing news, is considered the press...which would include Wikileaks...which you apparently don't consider as part of the Press.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    It's not the exposing of the truth that makes Anonymous terrorists and criminals. It's the manner in which they do it. As to who has been terrorized by them...see post #199.
    The manner in which they do it? Hows that? Just because they don't put thier names out for everyone to see and not in front of camera's? Have they ever condoned physical violence against anyone? If not then they are not terrorizing either.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    If you're going to speak of things being "unlawful" it would help if you actually knew about the laws. ACTUAL whistleblowing is not unlawful, nor gaining the information through an "unlawful" way. Manning was not a "whistleblowewr", he was someone that simply indiscriminately released a **** ton of information with little knowledge of exactly what was being released, what if any part of it was actually illegal activity, and completly out of step with what "whistleblowing" is.
    Sorry but imo the wistleblower laws are actually crap. All that they do is "encourage" you to report something to someone higher in the chain of command. This way they can just bury it again.

    BTW, I do agree that the way manning did what he did was wrong. Mainly because his intent was not to expose harm but to take revenge.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes he did. Wikileaks is part of the Press wether you agree with it or not.



    Awefully short answer there. Want to be more specific? Because with your answer anything that is media involved, including digital forms of releasing news, is considered the press...which would include Wikileaks...which you apparently don't consider as part of the Press.



    The manner in which they do it? Hows that? Just because they don't put thier names out for everyone to see and not in front of camera's? Have they ever condoned physical violence against anyone? If not then they are not terrorizing either.
    LOL!!

    You are correct. I don't consider WikiLeaks to be anything like something I would consider "the press".

    Oh, and there are forms of terrorism that are not physical. Just ask any psychologically abused child or woman.
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    Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure, Announced On Hacked Gov Sit

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Anonymous is already infiltrated

    ****** division will pick up, the few loose ends
    And just how do you infilterate an organization that has no names? No home base? No one leader? Just a bunch of people from across the world doing what they think is the right thing to do.
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