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    Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    When your acts of civil (dis)obedience, whistleblowing and the like involve criminal acts that threaten innocents along with their target...yes. I would consider them terrorists who should be treated as such. They are no better than the suicide bomber who blows himself up on a busy street outside of the police station...except these people you are trying to defend don't even have the conviction to put their lives on the line like that suicide bomber does.

    Like I said...rats.
    Give me an example of what Anonymous has exposed that has exposed "threaten innocents along with their target"?
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    Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure

    Quote Originally Posted by Pagan View Post
    The government we have today bears nothing in resemblance to what was founded. What would George say about "indefinite detention" of U.S. Citizens for example?

    For the record I'm no fanboy of Anonymous but I cheer those who risk their lives to expose the shady dealings of our government. If you don't think hacking into government sites and exposing their dirty laundry isn't risking their life you need to wake up.
    So is that a yes or no to Washington being a fan of people sharing government secrets? Please don't shift the goalposts.

    Who said anything about life risking? I don't even know what you mean about that anyway. Are they going to executed? Are they going to disappear without their families knowing what happened to them? What are you even talking about, and why?
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    Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So is that a yes or no to Washington being a fan of people sharing government secrets? Please don't shift the goalposts.

    Who said anything about life risking? I don't even know what you mean about that anyway. Are they going to executed? Are they going to disappear without their families knowing what happened to them? What are you even talking about, and why?
    No I'm not shifting the goal posts, if one exposes actual information that would lead to the deaths like locations/identities of operatives is "not" what Anonymous is doing nor have they. They are threatened to expose data that will "embarrass", Apples and Rocks.

    As for the life threatening, I'd say spending decades in prison risking ones life. Not to mention what will happen to them under the "Patriot Act".
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    Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure

    Quote Originally Posted by Pagan View Post
    No I'm not shifting the goal posts,
    Okay, well, with specific regards to the founding fathers supporting anonymous, and with that quote in mind, do you think George Washington would support the leaking of state secrets?

    As for the life threatening, I'd say spending decades in prison risking ones life. Not to mention what will happen to them under the "Patriot Act".
    Oh, so you mean it in a vague and figurative way, as opposed to a literal way. Okay. Well people risk their lives, then, by making poor choices in high school and whatnot. Virtually everything is life risking, using your argumentation.
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    Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure, Gov Site

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Okay, well, with specific regards to the founding fathers supporting anonymous, and with that quote in mind, do you think George Washington would support the leaking of state secrets?
    I couldn't and wouldn't want to put words in Georges mouth. But seeing what our government has become and they way the literally wipe their ass's with the Constitution one could only wonder.


    Oh, so you mean it in a vague and figurative way, as opposed to a literal way. Okay. Well people risk their lives, then, by making poor choices in high school and whatnot. Virtually everything is life risking, using your argumentation.
    Yeah I'm speaking in a "figurative" way, and you'll have to excuse my short bullet posts. I'm using my Android tablet.

    Anyway it's obvious from what I've seen in this thread that most all are lumping them in with all hackers and don't understand.
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    Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure, Gov Site

    Quote Originally Posted by Pagan View Post
    I couldn't and wouldn't want to put words in Georges mouth. But seeing what our government has become and they way the literally wipe their ass's with the Constitution one could only wonder.
    Okay, well you can feel free to use his: "For upon Secrecy, Success depends in Most Enterprises of the kind, and for want of it, they are generally defeated"

    Yeah I'm speaking in a "figurative" way, and you'll have to excuse my short bullet posts. I'm using my Android tablet.
    Well yeah, considering my first post in this thread was about how anonymous criticizes the US government but hides behind the protections that government affords, as opposed to China, where people protesting really do "risk their life", you can see my issue. But anonymous would rather release documents from Western governments who they know won't excute them and rarely, because of PR issues because of the simpletons that support them, even prosecute them. As opposed to, ya know, release and protest governments that actually will make their own citizens disappear. To look at anonymous' protests, things like the US, JSTOR, the UK, et al are the world's bad guys. Folks like China, Syria, Iran, Pakistan, etc...anonymous doesn't pay attention to them.

    Weird.

    Anyway it's obvious from what I've seen in this thread that most all are lumping them in with all hackers and don't understand.
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    Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Okay, well you can feel free to use his: "For upon Secrecy, Success depends in Most Enterprises of the kind, and for want of it, they are generally defeated"
    So do you believe that government's dirty secrets shouldn't ever be exposed? That everything the government does is totally off limits?


    Well yeah, considering my first post in this thread was about how anonymous criticizes the US government but hides behind the protections that government affords, as opposed to China, where people protesting really do "risk their life", you can see my issue. But anonymous would rather release documents from Western governments who they know won't excute them and rarely, because of PR issues because of the simpletons that support them, even prosecute them. As opposed to, ya know, release and protest governments that actually will make their own citizens disappear. To look at anonymous' protests, things like the US, JSTOR, the UK, et al are the world's bad guys. Folks like China, Syria, Iran, Pakistan, etc...anonymous doesn't pay attention to them.

    Weird.
    If you had checked on the background of Anonymous there is no real "head" , they are a loosely based group of activists spanning the globe.

    I'm all for exposing all governments dirt, especially China. You know their gulags (the Lao Gai), what they're doing to Tibet, etc., etc. They're openly hostile against the U.S. but we continue to kiss their ass's even though they're hell bent on burying the U.S.

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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    There is nothing positive about this at all.

    This is a terrorist act and should be treated accordingly.
    There is nothing good at all? Our government is going well outside of what is permitted under the Constitution I think of these as freedom fighters and what is being threatened will kill no one but embarrass someone. How do you think it rates as terrorism?
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Yes it does. However, that does not give ANYONE the right to break into classified documents and make them public. Especially not knowing who and what might be put in danger by the publication of those documents.
    If you had read the article it said the files will be heavily redacted. And the video did say that they did do consideration of what the consequences to those who would be involved. The targets are the officials and employees of the justice department and will be distributed if the government fails to obey the Constitution.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    And the proper, non-terrorist method for dealing with such people is included in the Constitution...you vote them out of office.

    You DON'T attack our government.

    The problem is we do not have the ability to chose candidates that will follow the Constitution since the politicians determine the eligibility of what candidates are allowed. And Anonymous' solution is better than the one we will soon be left with which is insurrection.
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