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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Actually you are the one with an odd definition of civilian. Civilians are individuals, not corporations.

    Interesting, a liberal making an argument for corporations being people.
    Civilians in that they are not governments nor soldiers. A bank or hospital is not a military target, it is a civilian target.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    I find it extremely funny that people are bitching about the government not being transparent in every single aspect of it's operation (national security be damned, I guess) but then show slobbering hero worship for a group called "Annonymous".

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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

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    Civilians in that they are not governments nor soldiers. A bank or hospital is not a military target, it is a civilian target.
    Ok, fair enough. But does hacking a company website really "terrorize" the public? Is it really anywhere close to the level a car bomb terrorizes civilians in a marketplace? I really think Americans have watered-down the term.
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    Re: Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure, Announced On Hacked Gov Sit

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If you are commiting criminal acts, you are a criminal. You don't fight wars from momies basement by stealing credit card numbers.
    Again what proof do you have that anonymous are losers in in their parents basements? Perhaps some but they are obviously somewhat organized. And they had heavy involvement with the occupy movement. But then I really have no idea either so they very well could just be idiotic trolls gone amok.

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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Ok, fair enough. But does hacking a company website really "terrorize" the public? Is it really anywhere close to the level a car bomb terrorizes civilians in a marketplace? I really think Americans have watered-down the term.
    I am not arguing that they are terrorists. My point in fact is that they are common criminals working for their own profit.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I find it extremely funny that people are bitching about the government not being transparent in every single aspect of it's operation (national security be damned, I guess) but then show slobbering hero worship for a group called "Annonymous".
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol? Was that serious? How sheltered you must be...
    Repeating what I said? Great rebuttle.

    I wouldn't want to defend your ridiculous position either.

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    I am not arguing that they are terrorists. My point in fact is that they are common criminals fighting against the erosion of our freedoms
    ^^ Corrected for accuracy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If you are commiting criminal acts, you are a criminal. You don't fight wars from momies basement by stealing credit card numbers.
    Being a criminal certainly is a rather objective term. However, every revolutionary in history has been labeled a criminal by their government. You're arguing that they're unjust solely because they are breaking a law, and not even considering what it is they're fighting against.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Repeating what I said? Great rebuttle.

    I wouldn't want to defend your ridiculous position either.



    ^^ Corrected for accuracy.


    Being a criminal certainly is a rather objective term. However, every revolutionary in history has been labeled a criminal by their government. You're arguing that they're unjust solely because they are breaking a law, and not even considering what it is they're fighting against.
    Fighting for their freedom to pirate other people's hard work and their freedom to cheat at video games does not impress me. Stealing credit card numbers and posting flashing gifs on a message board for epileptics not noble strategies.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Fighting for their freedom to pirate other people's hard work and their freedom to cheat at video games does not impress me. Stealing credit card numbers and posting flashing gifs on a message board for epileptics not noble strategies.
    The JSTOR documents that were downloaded by Swartz were publically funded research papers that were being sold at outrageously high prices. Important research like that, especially when tax payer funded, needs to be in the public domain. Our government is insanely interested in squashing the flow of information and standing up for corporations. I never thought someone as liberal as you would stand up for the corporations, especially in order to deter the growth of human knowledge.
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    Re: Constrictive Hacking!

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    That's not at all what it's saying. I don't know anybody who says an acceptable means of dealing with one thing is an acceptable means of dealing with EVERYTHING. It's acceptable for someone to kill someone in self defense, it's not acceptable to kill someone because they don't like them. It's acceptable for the US to step in to prevent mass genocide, it's not acceptable for them to invade a country for oil.
    Your examples are vastly different aims though. I'm talking about the difference between blackmailing politicians to make they vote in favour of the bill reducing the criminal penalty for leaking information and blackmailing politicians to vote against the same bill.

    If an organisation was identified doing the latter, I am certain the people currently celebrating Anonymous' actions would be (rightly) condemning that organisation as anti-democratic criminals who should be locked up. If they wouldn't, they're instead saying that in general terms it's just fine for criminals to circumvent the political process - blackmail, bribes and intimidation all become fair game. Either way, they're morally wrong.

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