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    Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists To Graduate High School

    A group of Arizona politicians — all Republicans, of course — have proposed a law (House Bill 2467) requiring public high school students to recite the following oath in order to graduate:

    I, _______, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge these duties; So help me God.
    Awful damn hard to be a pagan and a conservative in this country when our so-called "conservative party" apparently hates you.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists To Graduate High School

    Awful damn hard to be a pagan and a conservative in this country when our so-called "conservative party" apparently hates you.
    Does your (lack of) religion prohibit you from saying "So help me God"? If not than this "oath" clearly does not establish a religion nor prohibit the free exercise thereof.
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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Does your (lack of) religion prohibit you from saying "So help me God"? If not than this "oath" clearly does not establish a religion nor prohibit the free exercise thereof.
    Your parenthetical is not appreciated-- as I noted, I am not atheist but pagan, an Ásatrúar, and I am devoutly religious. And yes, my faith absolutely does prohibit me from saying "So help me God" or swearing any other oath on the Judeochristian deity along with any other non-Germanic deity.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Does your (lack of) religion prohibit you from saying "So help me God"? If not than this "oath" clearly does not establish a religion nor prohibit the free exercise thereof.
    'Libertarianism - Right', apparently, means being perfectly content with allowing the State to violate an individual's right of conscience in order to appease our conservative political benefactors.
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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Your parenthetical is not appreciated-- as I noted, I am not atheist but pagan, an Ásatrúar, and I am devoutly religious. And yes, my faith absolutely does prohibit me from saying "So help me God" or swearing any other oath on the Judeochristian deity along with any other non-Germanic deity.
    So you are saying that your deity, or one of them, isn't a god?

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists To Graduate High School



    Awful damn hard to be a pagan and a conservative in this country when our so-called "conservative party" apparently hates you.
    its really sad that some people want to force religion on people so much
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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    So you are saying that your deity, or one of them, isn't a god?
    No, but my deities have names and they are not properly addressed by "God".

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    No, but my deities have names and they are not properly addressed by "God".
    And it's patently obvious that the use of the singular noun 'God' refers to the Abrahamic deity. I'm not sure who the supporters - or, rather, political defenders - of this think they're ****ting.
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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists To Graduate High School



    Awful damn hard to be a pagan and a conservative in this country when our so-called "conservative party" apparently hates you.
    Some would opine that conservative gays feel the same way as do conservative women who feel they get to decide their reproductive issues.

    Not sure why an atheist can't graduate high school if she/he passes the tests. I mean, many 'conservatives' put so much into that yardstick, can little johnny read and write?

    Now she/he must take a loyalty oath which states in part, "I take this obligation freely and without reservation..." or your diploma will be withheld...

    I wish these 'conservatives' who howl so much for 'rights' and against 'gubmint over reach' would get real.

    forgot to ad, maybe Palin DOES have a political future in AZ....

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    No, but my deities have names and they are not properly addressed by "God".
    If any one of them is a god to you, then there is no reason as to why you can not say it, as it would be inclusive to you, as opposed to those who do not believe in a G_d, or gods. Let alone the statement of Oath to begin with.

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