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Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

I think it would be rather easy to just stand there with all the other people and skip the God part if it really offends you so much. The hypocrisy here is that where should we draw the line? I wonder how many atheists on here, say "Oh My God," each day. Furthermore, should they stop using cash and coins? It has In God We Trust on it. Should they never enter a government building or any building with God in it's name or religious symbols on it? Should we make minority laws to please maybe the two atheists that are in the school? When I say atheists I mean ones that would actually stand up and say, I don't believe in this, I'm not saying it. Not, Oh I don't believe in God but...

The atheists aren't asking for minority laws to appease them, they are asking for Arizona not to make laws that infringe on their rights.

It's most likely that 99% of the school believes in a God. I am not a christian, but I do believe in God. So I would not be offended by having to say this. Why are atheists always trying to push their no-god religion onto others? Sometimes they are just as worse as the fundamentalists. Oh wait, they ARE fundamentalists!!!![/QUOTE]

I don't think they are, it looks if anything its the other way around here.

And I really just hate the politics of this whole thing. In my opinion, this isn't something important. An oath like this would do pretty much nothing to instill patriotism in the vast majority of high school students. All it is, is another example of making Republicans look bad on these issues, and hurting their own chances of pushing their fiscal agenda.
 
How is the proposed Arizona law not blatanly a violation of the First Amendment?

The government shall not endorse any religion. "God" is not Elohim, Allah, or (insert name of deity here). "God" is Judeochristian.

School is for education. If they want their children swearing allegiance to God then they can put them in a religious school, not a public one. **** off Republicans.
 
1. They are asking for Arizona not to make laws that infringe on their rights.

2. And I really just hate the politics of this whole thing. In my opinion, this isn't something important. An oath like this would do pretty much nothing to instill patriotism in the vast majority of high school students. All it is, is another example of making Republicans look bad on these issues, and hurting their own chances of pushing their fiscal agenda.

1. Then they should move the England where the majority of the population is Atheist and their laws and money don't have God written all over them!

2. It's kinda silly on their part too, I'm just pointing out that the atheists feel like a minority because, duh God is everywhere in this country. I'm not being some Bible Thumper here. It's quite literal. Everywhere you look you'll see something that offends you if you are an atheist activist. BTW, Awesome Signature!
 
The government shall not endorse any religion. "God" is not Elohim, Allah, or (insert name of deity here). "God" is Judeochristian.

Um, the Constitution has the word God in it. Not Elohim, or Allah. Are you suggesting we should endorse other deities instead of the universal denomination, God? God can mean any God you are talking about. That's why people say, "If you believe in God or...a supreme being." We all know what that statement is referring to!
 
Don't these retards ever get tired of losing in court? This is a complete non-starter. I just wish we could require that any politician that pushes something like this, something that has already been soundly established as unworkable in the courts, would be required to pay back the taxpayers out of their own pockets. You'd get less of this religious stupidity going around.
 
Um, the Constitution has the word God in it. Not Elohim, or Allah. Are you suggesting we should endorse other deities instead of the universal denomination, God? God can mean any God you are talking about. That's why people say, "If you believe in God or...a supreme being." We all know what that statement is referring to!

I... um... what?

Regardless of all this nonsense that a proper noun is somehow inclusive of things that aren't it, that still doesn't address how this would require people who do not believe in gods at all to swear an oath to one. That is exactly, 100%, establishing religion and prohibiting free exercise. If you don't think it is, then imagine if you had to swear an oath to the Buddha. Doesn't sit well with you? I'm not surprised.
 
Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists To Graduate High School



Awful damn hard to be a pagan and a conservative in this country when our so-called "conservative party" apparently hates you.


Ouch. Pretty sure that can't be Constitutional, even without reference to God. How can you "freely take on this obligation" if they coerce you by saying they'll deny your HS diploma if you don't? Oaths taken under duress are not valid.

I wouldn't lay that on anybody, and I oppose this law.
 
If you don't think it is, then imagine if you had to swear an oath to the Buddha. Doesn't sit well with you? I'm not surprised.

Buddha isn't worshipped as a God in the Buddhist religion. So it's safe to say that this will never happen. But that still wouldn't please the atheists. They want "under God" Or "so help me God" taken away. It's faux outrage on both sides of a non issues. Settle down.
 
Um, the Constitution has the word God in it. Not Elohim, or Allah. Are you suggesting we should endorse other deities instead of the universal denomination, God? God can mean any God you are talking about. That's why people say, "If you believe in God or...a supreme being." We all know what that statement is referring to!

The word god, or anything even like it, does not exist in the constitution at all. If you'd like to disprove me, please, by all means, quote the constitution where god is mentioned.

1. Then they should move the England where the majority of the population is Atheist and their laws and money don't have God written all over them!
None of our laws have god written on them. God was added to our money in the 1950's.
2. It's kinda silly on their part too, I'm just pointing out that the atheists feel like a minority because, duh God is everywhere in this country. I'm not being some Bible Thumper here. It's quite literal. Everywhere you look you'll see something that offends you if you are an atheist activist. BTW, Awesome Signature!
No, we were founded as a secular country, and as such we will remain, despite your ridiculous efforts to radicalize it.
 
Does your (lack of) religion prohibit you from saying "So help me God"? If not than this "oath" clearly does not establish a religion nor prohibit the free exercise thereof.

Sounds like a loyalty oath, prohibited by the first amendment.
 
I read the oath. Doesn't say anything about atheists. In fact, don't see why any respectable high school senior would not be proud to take it :)

On that topic, does anyone know what oath one is required to take when buying a bed in AZ?

I'll bite....
 
the bill will eventually fail as it should and is a wast of time/tax payer money. Typical politics.
 
Does your (lack of) religion prohibit you from saying "So help me God"? If not than this "oath" clearly does not establish a religion nor prohibit the free exercise thereof.

Just to make the point: my lack of religion does not prevent me from taking an oath in bad faith, but my conscience does.
 
'Libertarianism - Right', apparently, means being perfectly content with allowing the State to violate an individual's right of conscience in order to appease our conservative political benefactors.

As "libertarianism - right" has nothing to do with the thread or topic or anyone who had posted in it prior to you, well, what can I say? You're making things up. Again.
 
Um, the Constitution has the word God in it. Not Elohim, or Allah. Are you suggesting we should endorse other deities instead of the universal denomination, God? God can mean any God you are talking about. That's why people say, "If you believe in God or...a supreme being." We all know what that statement is referring to!

Sorry, you're wrong, the Constitution does not include the word "God" anywhere in it, nor in any of the Amendments. The closest you're going to get is the signatory section which lists the date as: "Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven".

You're just wrong.
 
Many of you are assuming (wrongfully in this matter) that most children in Arizona graduate from high school. Or even want to, for that matter.
 
The God thing won't be the killer, it is the Constitution thing if it were ever enacted because not all high school graduates are US born citizens. It is a silly proposal either way that would never pass.
 
Um, the Constitution has the word God in it. Not Elohim, or Allah. Are you suggesting we should endorse other deities instead of the universal denomination, God? God can mean any God you are talking about. That's why people say, "If you believe in God or...a supreme being." We all know what that statement is referring to!

Allah is just the Arabic word for god. So if it did include god it actually includes Allah aswell.
 
Allah is just the Arabic word for god. So if it did include god it actually includes Allah aswell.

Not according to a lot of Muslims who won't use the word. Same with Jews. Same with Buddhists, who have no gods.
 
I would definitely pull a Kids In The Hall and finish the oath off with, "... so help me, Satan". Just to get a rise out of the teachers.
 
I first object to being made to swear some creepy cult oath as a requirement to graduating high school.
 
Why in hell's bells is an oath required to graduate public high school?????

Stupid stupid stupid.
 
Not according to a lot of Muslims who won't use the word. Same with Jews. Same with Buddhists, who have no gods.

Well it is the literal translation. Allah Ackbar! means god is great.
 
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