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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Sure, I'll just cross my fingers.
    lol, certainly

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    So, what is the problem with atheists saying the oath? Will their tongues burst into fire?
    Some people have moral objections to lying even without some god sitting on their shoulder with a pitchfork.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Some people have moral objections to lying even without some god sitting on their shoulder with a pitchfork.
    No, it's the Devil who has the pitchfork.

    Apparently, a decent regard for comity is not part of the moral calculus when it comes to these little verbal formulations.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    No, it's the Devil who has the pitchfork.

    Apparently, a decent regard for comity is not part of the moral calculus when it comes to these little verbal formulations.
    huh????

    Also, from the nature of the majority of your posts here, despite what you say, we both know you would react differently than you claim

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    huh????

    Also, from the nature of the majority of your posts here, despite what you say, we both know you would react differently than you claim
    You mean about crossing my fingers? Ok, I'd cross my fingers, and I'd be in a snit about it.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    So, what is the problem with atheists saying the oath? Will their tongues burst into fire?

    Seriously, it's just a meaningless bit of boilerplate to an atheist. So, what's the problem?

    This bridling over such things really makes it look like some atheists are into magical thinking. It looks more and more like it's their religion we are talking about.
    What is the reason in even HAVING this oath as a REQUIREMENT to graduate? Seriously, are conservatives that bloated in their egos that they actually need to have graduates recite an oathe to appease them?

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Your parenthetical is not appreciated-- as I noted, I am not atheist but pagan, an Ásatrúar, and I am devoutly religious. And yes, my faith absolutely does prohibit me from saying "So help me God" or swearing any other oath on the Judeochristian deity along with any other non-Germanic deity.
    Aw, that's so cute. You found a religion that supports your ideals. Protip buddy, there is no such thing as your own personal "Jesus" regardless of what you call him/ her/ it/ them. People don't become Christians only after they have adjusted their lives to God. It's a process and there is no perfection. Finding something custom made for your feelings is not religion, it's self delusion. But on a more serious note when you are sworn in in court you end your oath with "So help me God". It is not a statement of faith, it is a legal agreement that uses an old phrase that people understand the meaning of. And the statement you posted does not swear an allegiance to God but the Constitution. Not such a bad thing considering where we live and what has happened to it recently. Just to be clear back when I was so much more enlightened and refined I was an atheist for 20 years. I felt all kinds of superior until I figured out I was wrong.

    That being said this looks like a waste of time and resources to me. Can't think of any good reason to add this to a graduation requirement. It is clear that we have plenty of people in this country who are not interested in the Constitution. Not supporting it has nothing to do with completion of a high school education. After all, isn't the purpose of educating our kids to prepare them for the world ahead of them, hopefully with the ability to think for themselves?

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    You mean about crossing my fingers? Ok, I'd cross my fingers, and I'd be in a snit about it.
    Some people don't want to be forced to lie. Sorry if this confuses you.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    As Rome burns, you have politicians making rules and squabbling over things that don't mean **** to a tree.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Aw, that's so cute. You found a religion that supports your ideals. Protip buddy, there is no such thing as your own personal "Jesus" regardless of what you call him/ her/ it/ them. People don't become Christians only after they have adjusted their lives to God. It's a process and there is no perfection. Finding something custom made for your feelings is not religion, it's self delusion.
    Awfully arrogant of you, don't you think? Must be a good thing that pride isn't one of the cardinal sins against your faith.

    Oh, wait.

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