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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    its really sad that some people want to force religion on people so much
    They are very similar to the conservative Taliban.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    They are very similar to the conservative Taliban.
    No they really aren't and such only belittles things like little girls being attacked for going to school and using physical force to curtail such things as beard shaving and listening to the radio.

    Here, while these people are clearly assholes and scumbags, they are assholes and scumbags going through the political process. And what they are endorsing doesn't really approach the level of executing atheists

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    No they really aren't and such only belittles things like little girls being attacked for going to school and using physical force to curtail such things as beard shaving and listening to the radio.

    Here, while these people are clearly assholes and scumbags, they are assholes and scumbags going through the political process. And what they are endorsing doesn't really approach the level of executing atheists
    When it comes to converting and forcing "god" on to non believers, the are very, very alike.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Yes, if you want to ignore all the differences, and focus on their religious zealotry and need to push it on other people, then they are the same. But then so is a Mormon missionary and the guy throwing acid in the school girls face ...

    Which highlights the rather absurd and useless nature of the comparison

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Yes, if you want to ignore all the differences, and focus on their religious zealotry and need to push it on other people, then they are the same. But then so is a Mormon missionary and the guy throwing acid in the school girls face ...

    Which highlights the rather absurd and useless nature of the comparison
    There's nothing absurd about it. They are quite similar. Especially regarding religion.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    There's nothing absurd about it. They are quite similar. Especially regarding religion.
    If one wants to minimize throwing acid in a 13 year old girls face they are, indeed, similar. Though, such doesn't change the absurd nature of the whole thing

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Well it is the literal translation. Allah Ackbar! means god is great.
    It's amazing how many people don't recognize the difference between the small-g god, which is a generic term referring to all deities, and the capital-g God, which is a proper name referring only to the specific deity of Christianity. Some people think you can use them interchangably. They're wrong.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Does your (lack of) religion prohibit you from saying "So help me God"? If not than this "oath" clearly does not establish a religion nor prohibit the free exercise thereof.
    Better question is, does this violate the first amendment?

    We have a right to our own values and beliefs, and to free speech. Why should the government force us to say something in public, so we get a piece of paper that determines our future?

    It doesn't sound like the bill makes a distinction between private and public schools either. The government should stay out of private schools in this matter.

    Neo conservativism at its finest.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    If any one of them is a god to you, then there is no reason as to why you can not say it, as it would be inclusive to you, as opposed to those who do not believe in a G_d, or gods. Let alone the statement of Oath to begin with.
    He still has his first amendment rights.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Accept when it is. The word (with a capital G) Gods is often made plural.
    And any pagen god would be included in the word God. As it is inclusive. Not exclusive.




    Well the oath is not religious.
    But an oath to the Constitution.
    So your premise is false.
    I believe in God and I wouldn't feel comfortable making such a pledge. To me it's a pledge to God to do something in his name. I am not against the constitution, but I shouldn't be required to makes pledge in God's name because of the government.

    If I move out of the country and live under a different constitution, that doesn't involve my faith. Nor should be an issue to me or provoke questioning if I am breaking a promise or pledge to God.

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