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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    Um, the Constitution has the word God in it. Not Elohim, or Allah. Are you suggesting we should endorse other deities instead of the universal denomination, God? God can mean any God you are talking about. That's why people say, "If you believe in God or...a supreme being." We all know what that statement is referring to!
    I... um... what?

    Regardless of all this nonsense that a proper noun is somehow inclusive of things that aren't it, that still doesn't address how this would require people who do not believe in gods at all to swear an oath to one. That is exactly, 100%, establishing religion and prohibiting free exercise. If you don't think it is, then imagine if you had to swear an oath to the Buddha. Doesn't sit well with you? I'm not surprised.
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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists To Graduate High School



    Awful damn hard to be a pagan and a conservative in this country when our so-called "conservative party" apparently hates you.

    Ouch. Pretty sure that can't be Constitutional, even without reference to God. How can you "freely take on this obligation" if they coerce you by saying they'll deny your HS diploma if you don't? Oaths taken under duress are not valid.

    I wouldn't lay that on anybody, and I oppose this law.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post

    If you don't think it is, then imagine if you had to swear an oath to the Buddha. Doesn't sit well with you? I'm not surprised.
    Buddha isn't worshipped as a God in the Buddhist religion. So it's safe to say that this will never happen. But that still wouldn't please the atheists. They want "under God" Or "so help me God" taken away. It's faux outrage on both sides of a non issues. Settle down.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    Um, the Constitution has the word God in it. Not Elohim, or Allah. Are you suggesting we should endorse other deities instead of the universal denomination, God? God can mean any God you are talking about. That's why people say, "If you believe in God or...a supreme being." We all know what that statement is referring to!
    The word god, or anything even like it, does not exist in the constitution at all. If you'd like to disprove me, please, by all means, quote the constitution where god is mentioned.

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    1. Then they should move the England where the majority of the population is Atheist and their laws and money don't have God written all over them!
    None of our laws have god written on them. God was added to our money in the 1950's.
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    2. It's kinda silly on their part too, I'm just pointing out that the atheists feel like a minority because, duh God is everywhere in this country. I'm not being some Bible Thumper here. It's quite literal. Everywhere you look you'll see something that offends you if you are an atheist activist. BTW, Awesome Signature!
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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Does your (lack of) religion prohibit you from saying "So help me God"? If not than this "oath" clearly does not establish a religion nor prohibit the free exercise thereof.
    Sounds like a loyalty oath, prohibited by the first amendment.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists To Graduate High School



    Awful damn hard to be a pagan and a conservative in this country when our so-called "conservative party" apparently hates you.
    I read the oath. Doesn't say anything about atheists. In fact, don't see why any respectable high school senior would not be proud to take it

    On that topic, does anyone know what oath one is required to take when buying a bed in AZ?

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    I read the oath. Doesn't say anything about atheists. In fact, don't see why any respectable high school senior would not be proud to take it

    On that topic, does anyone know what oath one is required to take when buying a bed in AZ?
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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    the bill will eventually fail as it should and is a wast of time/tax payer money. Typical politics.
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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Does your (lack of) religion prohibit you from saying "So help me God"? If not than this "oath" clearly does not establish a religion nor prohibit the free exercise thereof.
    Just to make the point: my lack of religion does not prevent me from taking an oath in bad faith, but my conscience does.
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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    'Libertarianism - Right', apparently, means being perfectly content with allowing the State to violate an individual's right of conscience in order to appease our conservative political benefactors.
    As "libertarianism - right" has nothing to do with the thread or topic or anyone who had posted in it prior to you, well, what can I say? You're making things up. Again.
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