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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    If any one of them is a god to you, then there is no reason as to why you can not say it, as it would be inclusive to you, as opposed to those who do not believe in a G_d, or gods.
    "God" is a capitalized proper noun and any person of Judeochristian faith will be happy to tell you refers only to their god. I am as excluded as any atheist.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    "God" is a capitalized proper noun and any person of Judeochristian faith will be happy to tell you refers only to their god. I am as excluded as any atheist.
    And yet refers to any deity. Go figure.
    Such as the Greek Gods.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists To Graduate High School



    Awful damn hard to be a pagan and a conservative in this country when our so-called "conservative party" apparently hates you.
    Your distortion of what is actually being proposed in Arizona is somewhere between comical and pathetic....


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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    'Libertarianism - Right', apparently, means being perfectly content with allowing the State to violate an individual's right of conscience in order to appease our conservative political benefactors.
    I agree that an "affirmation" (use of the word affirm) rather than a "oath" (use of the word swear) should suffice, thus removing any relgious context at all. Even the presidential oath of office does not contain those last 4 words.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And yet refers to any deity. Go figure.
    Such as the Greek Gods.
    Except that it doesn't, being the difference between the proper noun "God", which is never pluralized, and the common noun "god" which is frequently so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Your distortion of what is actually being proposed in Arizona is somewhere between comical and pathetic....
    Okay, wise guy, tell me what is being proposed in Arizona if it isn't an illegal and unconstitutional requirement for students to swear a religious oath before they're allowed to graduate high school.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Except that it doesn't, being the difference between the proper noun "God", which is never pluralized, and the common noun "god" which is frequently so.

    Accept when it is. The word (with a capital G) Gods is often made plural.
    And any pagen god would be included in the word God. As it is inclusive. Not exclusive.




    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Okay, wise guy, tell me what is being proposed in Arizona if it isn't an illegal and unconstitutional requirement for students to swear a religious oath before they're allowed to graduate high school.
    Well the oath is not religious.
    But an oath to the Constitution.
    So your premise is false.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Except that it doesn't, being the difference between the proper noun "God", which is never pluralized, and the common noun "god" which is frequently so.



    Okay, wise guy, tell me what is being proposed in Arizona if it isn't an illegal and unconstitutional requirement for students to swear a religious oath before they're allowed to graduate high school.
    The substance of the bill seems to be trying for a statement of patriotism from graduating students. Personally think it is a little over the top. And has limited chance of getting passed.

    The "so help me God" at the end equates to an "i swear to the above". Term gets used a lot in government and military. Again, your thread title and claims simply ring as partisan blather.....


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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Again, your thread title and claims simply ring as partisan blather.....
    Yeah, I hate the Republicans so much I went out and registered as one.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Whether or not it was religious, I would refuse to say it because I am graduating from high school. I am not taking a public oath for office.
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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    If this is true, it's crap like this that makes me wish that there was a third place to put my vote. Graduating from high school is an accomplishment of things past, and should not be a promise of things future, regardless of whether or not it is intended to reference God or gods. I feel the same way about the patriotic part. I am a devout patriot and an atheist, but I dislike both sections of this proposed bill equally.

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