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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Oh, I do object to the whole thing, there's no point to forcing anyone to stand up and pledge an oath in order to get something, including the Pledge of Allegiance. I was simply responding to your incorrect assessment of the word, I was not supporting the oath in any way, shape or form.
    If I were a student, I would get on board with a class action lawsuit and notify the State and my school that I refuse to take the oath and intend to sue if I am denied graduation and/or admittance into the ceremony.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If I were a student, I would get on board with a class action lawsuit and notify the State and my school that I refuse to take the oath and intend to sue if I am denied graduation and/or admittance into the ceremony.
    The fact is, they can't deny graduation regardless, it's based on scholarly performance, not on rote recitation. If you perform to the standards dictated, if you pass the high school exit exam, you graduate and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do about it. I can't wait until the first person who they try this on hits them with a budget-busting lawsuit and the people of Arizona realize it isn't such a good idea.
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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    The substance of the bill seems to be trying for a statement of patriotism from graduating students.
    Surprised it only took 2 pages for someone to figure it out. But to make it absolutely clear, this proposed bill is nothing more than an attempt by Conservative Republicans in AZ to ensure that those students who are illegal aliens don't walk away with a free or low-cost public education after completing course requirements to graduate high school. But it's a very wrong-headed way to go about doing it. These state politicians in effect seem to be giving a green light to U.S. citizenship by upholding this measure. It's wrongheaded because it's not the responsibility of the state to issue such an oath. That's a federalist position! Thus, should this measure pass it can (and likely will) be viewed as obvious over-reach by the state (AZ).

    The "so help me God" at the end equates to an "i swear to the above". Term gets used a lot in government and military. Again, your thread title and claims simply ring as partisan blather.....
    But of course it is. You've already stated the reason why that is..."patriotism from graduating students (who happen to be illegal aliens or children born to illegal immigrant parents)".

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    So you are saying that your deity, or one of them, isn't a god?
    I might be mistaken but some pagans have a definition of god that it completely different from what Christian think of, if I'm not mistaken. According to what I've been told, a god in paganism is a spirit entity the pagan creates in order to serve the pagan, which is almost the opposite of the Christian faith.
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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    I don't see how this would prevent atheists from graduating.

    What I think is wrong with it is that it prevents a student essentially swearing away their right to free speech and believe that the Constitution should be struck down or not followed. I don't think anyone should be forced to make an oath in order to graduate.
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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists To Graduate High School



    Awful damn hard to be a pagan and a conservative in this country when our so-called "conservative party" apparently hates you.
    Well...you are in a Christian majority country and Arizona as of 2008 was made up of 89% Christians according to the Pew Research center so there's going to be a lot of Christian elements in this nation and in the state so I'm not particularly shocked surprised or even appalled that the word God was used in the language of the bill.

    At the end of the site you posted, they go on to say that the 'religious' language will likely not even be a part of the final draft:

    As written, the bill does not exempt atheist students or those of different faiths from the requirement, though Thorpe has pledged to amend the measure. “In that we had a tight deadline for dropping our bills, I was not able to update the language,” he wrote in an e-mail to the Arizona Republic. “Even though I want to encourage all of our students to understand and respect our Constitution and constitutional form of government, I do not want to create a requirement that students or parents may feel uncomfortable with.”
    Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists To Graduate High School
    So religious concerns are a non-issue in my opinion. I'm more concerned with legislators wasting their time on a pointless Bill that accomplishes nothing and has the potential for causing a lot of problems.
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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I might be mistaken but some pagans have a definition of god that it completely different from what Christian think of, if I'm not mistaken. According to what I've been told, a god in paganism is a spirit entity the pagan creates in order to serve the pagan, which is almost the opposite of the Christian faith.
    I'm not familiar with that definition of deity-- sounds like a New Age thing to me.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    I'm not familiar with that definition of deity-- sounds like a New Age thing to me.
    I met a girl online who was Wiccan, a form of paganism. According to her.

    She really opened my eyes as to the real confusion many non-Christian have in distinguishing between religious people (partitioners of church culture) and being an authentic child of God through faith in Jesus. I'm of the opinion that possibly half of all Christians aren't 'Christians'. Not complaining thogh.
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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Foolish. Should not pass. However...not ironic that the author of the article is a schoolteacher in Chicago of all places...a city if ever there was a need for a little hope and a few prayers...

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    This bill prevents Anarchists, Fascists, Theocrats, Communists etc. from graduating.

    Seems to be it's made to stifle political ideas.
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