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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Yeah, I hate the Republicans so much I went out and registered as one.
    You must be forgetting to take your anti-Liberal meds.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists To Graduate High School



    Awful damn hard to be a pagan and a conservative in this country when our so-called "conservative party" apparently hates you.
    Here's where I'm confused about it. Not all High School graduates are US Citizens. I'm not just talking illegals, I mean exchange students, or just recent legal immigrants whose parents plan on going back when their visas expire.

    Should we require citizens of other countries, who may be here legally, to swear to support OUR Constitution instead of their own?


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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Why should we be forced by the Government to do anything? That fact is that we are all the time.
    Should the Government just excuse anybody from not doing what they don't like?


    Don't like it, fight it before it before it gets considered.
    Don't like it, fight it in Court.
    Don't like it, don't say G_d. Unless you purposely made it obvious, I doubt anybody would make an issue out of it.
    Number one reason why I should not be required to do it, my constitutional rights. Also you're a neocon.
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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Well the use of God is the belief of one supreme being. Would you have a
    problem with an oath "So help me Gods?". I mean...that would be sacrilegious since the chief tenant in Judeo-Christian related religions is the belief in one supreme being.
    Also, the followers of all religions should decide when to make an oath to God. If the government starts to require we do it, then eventually making promises and paths to God will become
    meaningless

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    In all other cases where "So help me God" comes at the end of an oath, it is optional. Precedence runs against this idea, also I'd argue this falls under the same ruling about the Pledge of Allegiance that doesn't make it mandatory in schools.
    We've moved, as a nation, away from religious oaths anyhow. I can only speak for how it is here, but there was a time when they hauled out the Bible to make oaths on in court. Now, I don't think you can even ask for a Bible. You put up your hand, you swear to tell the truth, you sit down. No religion whatsoever anywhere to be seen. That's how it ought to be.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Number one reason why I should not be required to do it, my constitutional rights.
    You realize that a judge can find what ever reason they desire to decide an issue the way they choose.

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    Also you're a neocon.
    No! That says Excon, not neocon.

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Christians to Graduate
    I, _______, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge these duties; So help me God.
    Matthew 5;33-37:
    33 “Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’ 34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

    The oath this is coming from already has built-in alternative words. When I enlisted I was asked if I had a a problem using the word "swear" or "God". Those who object to "swear" are given a synonym in it's place. Those who object to "God" complete the oath at "duties" and stop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Awful damn hard to be a pagan and a conservative in this country when our so-called "conservative [Republican] party" apparently hates you.
    1. There is no Conservative Party in power. The parties are Democrat and Republican.
    2. Conservatives =/= Republican.
    3. Republican =/= Conservative.
    4. Conservatives left the GOP 6 years ago.
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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Your parenthetical is not appreciated-- as I noted, I am not atheist but pagan, an Ásatrúar, and I am devoutly religious. And yes, my faith absolutely does prohibit me from saying "So help me God" or swearing any other oath on the Judeochristian deity along with any other non-Germanic deity.
    "So help me god" is generic, not Judeochristian. "God" means whatever you want it to mean, any kind of higher power at all, not even necessarily a deity. We have a devout Pagan in my platoon, when he took the oath he said "so help me god", he took it to mean one of his gods. It's not a big deal.

    Anyway, with all of these oaths you have the option to not say "swear" or "so help me god", so no more QQ plz.
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    Re: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists to Graduate

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists To Graduate High School



    Awful damn hard to be a pagan and a conservative in this country when our so-called "conservative party" apparently hates you.
    its a moronic suggestion and is clearly unconstitutional

    its another reason why the GOP has to stick to economic prosperity and freedom rather than this sort of social fascism



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