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    Google Tells Cops to Get Warrants for User E-Mail, Cloud Data

    Google Tells Cops to Get Warrants for User E-Mail, Cloud Data | Threat Level | Wired.com
    Google demands probable-cause, court-issued warrants to divulge the contents of Gmail and other cloud-stored documents to authorities in the United States — a startling revelation Wednesday that runs counter to federal law that does not always demand warrants.

    The development surfaced as Google publicly announced that more than two-thirds of the user data Google forwards to government agencies across the United States is handed over without a probable-cause warrant.

    A Google spokesman told Wired that the media giant demands that government agencies — from the locals to the feds — get a probable-cause warrant for content on its e-mail, Google Drive cloud storage and other platforms — despite the Electronic Communications Privacy Act allowing the government to access such customer data without a warrant if it’s stored on Google’s servers for more than 180 days.

    “Google requires an ECPA search warrant for contents of Gmail and other services based on the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, which prevents unreasonable search and seizure,” Chris Gaither, a Google spokesman, said.

    Some of the customer data doled out without a warrant include names listed when creating Gmail accounts, the IP address from where the account was created, and where and what time a user signs in and out of an account. What’s more, Google hands over without warrants the IP address associated with a particular e-mail sent from a Gmail account or used to change the account password, in addition to the non-content portion of e-mail headers such as the “from,” “to” and “date” fields.

    It was not immediately known whether other ISPs are traveling Google’s path when it comes to demanding probable-cause warrants for all stored content. But Google can seemingly grant more privacy than the four corners of the law allows because there’s been a string of conflicting court opinions on whether warrants are required for data stored on third-party servers longer than 180 days. The Supreme Court has never weighed in on the topic — and the authorities are seemingly abiding by Google’s rules to avoid a high court showdown.
    It's nice to see Google taking a stand for their users privacy.

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    Re: Google Tells Cops to Get Warrants for User E-Mail, Cloud Data

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
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    It's nice to see Google taking a stand for their users privacy.
    I agree.All it takes for a bad law to stand or for law enforcement to do **** they are not supposed to is for people to cave in.
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    Re: Google Tells Cops to Get Warrants for User E-Mail, Cloud Data

    They aren't really taking a stand. From your snippet.

    "The development surfaced as Google publicly announced that more than two-thirds of the user data Google forwards to government agencies across the United States is handed over without a probable-cause warrant." and "Some of the customer data doled out without a warrant include names listed when creating Gmail accounts, the IP address from where the account was created, and where and what time a user signs in and out of an account. What’s more, Google hands over without warrants the IP address associated with a particular e-mail sent from a Gmail account or used to change the account password, in addition to the non-content portion of e-mail headers such as the 'from,' 'to' and 'date' fields."

    Google isn't really being a Robin Hood here as by giving up IP addresses, you can go and find the physical location of that IP. (Ip address lookup. Find IP address exact location.)
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    Re: Google Tells Cops to Get Warrants for User E-Mail, Cloud Data

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    They aren't really taking a stand. From your snippet.

    "The development surfaced as Google publicly announced that more than two-thirds of the user data Google forwards to government agencies across the United States is handed over without a probable-cause warrant." and "Some of the customer data doled out without a warrant include names listed when creating Gmail accounts, the IP address from where the account was created, and where and what time a user signs in and out of an account. What’s more, Google hands over without warrants the IP address associated with a particular e-mail sent from a Gmail account or used to change the account password, in addition to the non-content portion of e-mail headers such as the 'from,' 'to' and 'date' fields."

    Google isn't really being a Robin Hood here as by giving up IP addresses, you can go and find the physical location of that IP. (Ip address lookup. Find IP address exact location.)
    Your link is misleading. You cannot find an address from a IP. You can get a general location that will at best indicate the city the IP is in, but may not even get the state right. The only way to get an exact address is go to the ISP and have them pull their records to see what customer had that IP at that time and have them hand over the customer's information. The government can do this rather easily, but no website can give you a "exact address" for a IP address.

    While they should also protect this info, it is not nearly as confidential as the body of an email or Google Drive files. It could be better, but it's a step in the right direction.

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    Re: Google Tells Cops to Get Warrants for User E-Mail, Cloud Data

    Somewhere I saw the numbers for the actual subpoena's/warrants that Google got and it was really shockingly low for their market position.

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    Re: Google Tells Cops to Get Warrants for User E-Mail, Cloud Data

    They aren't protecting that data for your sake. It's worth money and they want to sell it.
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    Re: Google Tells Cops to Get Warrants for User E-Mail, Cloud Data

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They aren't protecting that data for your sake. It's worth money and they want to sell it.
    Absolutely, it's all about the money
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    Re: Google Tells Cops to Get Warrants for User E-Mail, Cloud Data

    I agree with google on this one. email is modern mail, which would fall under "papers." if warrantless searches are necessary, amend the constitution.

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    Re: Google Tells Cops to Get Warrants for User E-Mail, Cloud Data

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
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    It's nice to see Google taking a stand for their users privacy.
    Unfortunately it's just "one small step for man." I'm with Google on this as well.

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    Re: Google Tells Cops to Get Warrants for User E-Mail, Cloud Data

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    It's nice to see Google taking a stand for their users privacy.
    It's only a partial stand, and no doubt some of it is motivated by money, but it's still a good stand and a step in the right direction.
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