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    Re: Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That is because we know how extremely addictive and harmful it is. If states are serious about getting people to quit then they should ban cigarettes instead basically taking advantage of junkies with extreme taxes.

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    No, that's not the reason. Many a smoker knows all that info. It's because some ex-smokers feel they have to pull the hard line or they themselves will backslide. Was the same way myself when I quit there for a few years.

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    Re: Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Smoking is unhealthy, but there are limits to where I think the government can take legislating healthy behavior. Let people smoke. I'm all for public smoking bans, but if someone wants to smoke in their own home or car let them. They know the health risk, their insurance costs will be higher, and so long as they are willing to pay for their care when smoking makes them sick then why not?
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    Re: Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am sure many of those things have been legal for a long time. Cigarettes were not around for Man kind's entire existence.

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    Tobacco has been around longer than man.
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    Re: Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Tobacco has been around longer than man.
    But did any animals know what to do with it?

    I smoke. I shouldn't, but I started again with the whole divorce/mental hospital thing. At any rate, I always wonder what was going through the first smoker's head. What made him say "See that plant? I'm gonna burn it and inhale the smoke!"


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    Re: Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

    Generally speaking, it makes much more sense to legalize marijuana and criminalize tobacco.

    Tobacco is far more dangerous to the overall health of the smoker than pot is.

    That being said, I'd prefer they both be legal. Let people make their own choices.

    Also - it's one thing to propose a bill. Quite another to get it passed.

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    Re: Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    But did any animals know what to do with it?
    Probably not. But I do believe its the possession rather than the use that is being legislated on in Oregon.
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    Re: Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Tobacco has been around longer than man.
    So have a lot of plants.
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    Re: Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So have a lot of plants.
    And yet with this legislation its possession would be illegal without a doctor's note. Seems rather silly.
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    Re: Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well now, a small percentage of the population are allergic to those things, just as a small percentage of the population gets cancer from second hand cigarette smoke.

    And how about this, we ban driving of all but fully electric vehicles near public places. The exhaust is just as damaging to folks (actually more so) as the second hand cigarette smoke.
    I wonder whether you'd still feel the same way if I took all the known carcinogens in a cigarette, put them in a spray and every time you're near I'd spray it around for amusement. Would you still say I have a right to do that?
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    Re: Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Cigarettes would be illegal in Oregon under proposed bill



    How far will these people go? Cigarettes illegal? Currently, you can posses and smoke marijuana in both Colorado and Washington State. Given the proximity to Washington State and the shared culture of that region, I find it incredibly ironic that soon pot smokers may have nothing to fear while cigarette smokers would have to hide in the shadows.

    Being a non-smoker, it would never affect me but I can tell you that if this law passes I will be boycotting all things Oregon!

    ****ing fascists!
    This is the state which does not allow you to pump your own fuel. Ever.

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