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    Re: Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Cigarettes would be illegal in Oregon under proposed bill



    How far will these people go? Cigarettes illegal? Currently, you can posses and smoke marijuana in both Colorado and Washington State. Given the proximity to Washington State and the shared culture of that region, I find it incredibly ironic that soon pot smokers may have nothing to fear while cigarette smokers would have to hide in the shadows.

    Being a non-smoker, it would never affect me but I can tell you that if this law passes I will be boycotting all things Oregon!

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    Re: Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Smoking is unhealthy, but there are limits to where I think the government can take legislating healthy behavior. Let people smoke. I'm all for public smoking bans, but if someone wants to smoke in their own home or car let them. They know the health risk, their insurance costs will be higher, and so long as they are willing to pay for their care when smoking makes them sick then why not?
    The truly sad thing here is that in this day and age of debt and deficits our government is actually spending precious resources exploring ridiculous ideas like this.
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    Re: Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

    I still don't understand how its hard to figure out if an establishment allows smoking if you have a problem with it. I also don't see why the government has to worry about personal habits. Yes, people kill themselves doing dumb crap to their body. What is your point?

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    Re: Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Cigarettes would be illegal in Oregon under proposed bill



    How far will these people go? Cigarettes illegal? Currently, you can posses and smoke marijuana in both Colorado and Washington State. Given the proximity to Washington State and the shared culture of that region, I find it incredibly ironic that soon pot smokers may have nothing to fear while cigarette smokers would have to hide in the shadows.

    Being a non-smoker, it would never affect me but I can tell you that if this law passes I will be boycotting all things Oregon!

    ****ing fascists!
    Its much better than trying to take advantage of a bunch of tobacco addicts with extreme taxes. I think cigarettes should be banned.Its extremely addictive and difficult to quit(I smoked in my mid to late teens all the way to my late twenties, I haven't smoked for almost several years), smoke is harmful both to the smoker and those around the smoker. A lot of smokers are inconsiderate ****s who flip their butts on the ground, smoke around other people and even smoke in in their cars and houses with the kids in it thus forcing their kids to breath it in. At least with drinking you are only harming yourself and should you cause harm to others you can be arrested for driving drunk or public intoxication.
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    Re: Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

    WTF is this the year of the prohibitionists or something?
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    Re: Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its much better than trying to take advantage of a bunch of tobacco addicts with extreme taxes. I think cigarettes should be banned.Its extremely addictive and difficult to quit(I smoked in my mid to late teens all the way to my late twenties, I haven't smoked for almost several years), smoke is harmful both to the smoker and those around the smoker. A lot of smokers are inconsiderate ****s who flip their butts on the ground, smoke around other people and even smoke in in their cars and houses with the kids in it thus forcing their kids to breath it in. At least with drinking you are only harming yourself and should you cause harm to others you can be arrested for driving drunk or public intoxication.
    I don't smoke, have never smoked, and never will smoke so laws like this have no direct effect on me but they have an indirect effect. They piss me off. They piss me off because of the condescending nature in which they are conceived. A group of people with way too much time on their hands sits around and thinks up things that will "make the world a better place" and they do this with the wholehearted belief that the rest of us are just too stupid to know what's best. We need their guidance and superior intellect because we can't be trusted to save ourselves. They see themselves as lords looking down from high places onto the masses of surfs who would be lost without them.

    And when this particular quest is complete because their are enough people out there that willingly hand over their god given freedoms in the name of "the greater good" you can bet that, at least some of them, will light up and enjoy the pleasure of a good smoke. A luxury now afforded only to the chosen few...
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    Re: Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    How far will these people go? Cigarettes illegal? Currently, you can posses and smoke marijuana in both Colorado and Washington State. Given the proximity to Washington State and the shared culture of that region, I find it incredibly ironic that soon pot smokers may have nothing to fear while cigarette smokers would have to hide in the shadows.
    It definitely is interesting how the treatment of marijuana and tobacco are going in opposite directions. Do none of these people see the hypocrisy going on?
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    Re: Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its much better than trying to take advantage of a bunch of tobacco addicts with extreme taxes. I think cigarettes should be banned.Its extremely addictive and difficult to quit(I smoked in my mid to late teens all the way to my late twenties, I haven't smoked for almost several years), smoke is harmful both to the smoker and those around the smoker. A lot of smokers are inconsiderate ****s who flip their butts on the ground, smoke around other people and even smoke in in their cars and houses with the kids in it thus forcing their kids to breath it in. At least with drinking you are only harming yourself and should you cause harm to others you can be arrested for driving drunk or public intoxication.
    Former smokers are the most intensely anti-smoking at all.

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    Re: Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

    If the bill changes the status of nicotine, then it does not only affect smokers. Nicotine is also found in gum, patches and vapor products. So, if passed, does that mean all smokers would have to quit cold turkey since it would seem to make quit smoking products, not prescribed by doctors, illegal also?

    Using vapor, I have been able to give up smoking (a pipe which I actually regularly received compliments about the smell) but will not be able to give up the nicotine as it helps with a nerve condition I have. Unfortunately, most doctors do not recognize that nicotine does help with such conditions and would never prescribe a nicotine product other than as a quit smoking aide.
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    Re: Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Former smokers are the most intensely anti-smoking at all.
    That is because we know how extremely addictive and harmful it is. If states are serious about getting people to quit then they should ban cigarettes instead basically taking advantage of junkies with extreme taxes.

    Stopping smoking may be harder than quitting heroin
    Why It's So Hard to Quit Smoking - TIME
    NICOTINE: HARDER TO KICK...THAN HEROIN - New York Times
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