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Without voter ID the numbers could mean anything. When dozens of precincts vote 100% for a single party candidate, which defies reliable statistics, then questions have to be raised.

Certainly true, however, in this case, it did not defy reliable statistics; it affirmed them.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80015.html
Romney Has Zero Percent Support From African Americans In New NBC/WSJ Poll | Mediaite

I forgot, Republicans were not keen on the pre-election polls. Remember this famous picture of a Republican ready to review the latest pre-election poll?

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Certainly true, however, in this case, it did not defy reliable statistics; it affirmed them.

Poll: 0 percent of blacks for Mitt Romney - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com
Romney Has Zero Percent Support From African Americans In New NBC/WSJ Poll | Mediaite

I forgot, Republicans were not keen on the pre-election polls. Remember this famous picture of a Republican ready to review the latest pre-election poll?

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Do you recall the debate in Florida with all the changing recounts, the 'dangling chads' etc. and yet somehow there are all these precincts where one party gets 100% of the vote? After what happened in Florida I find that very unlikely, but you seem to buy it and I'm certainly okay with that.
 
Do you recall the debate in Florida with all the changing recounts, the 'dangling chads' etc. and yet somehow there are all these precincts where one party gets 100% of the vote? After what happened in Florida I find that very unlikely, but you seem to buy it and I'm certainly okay with that.

I certainly remember the election of 2000. I do not, remember, however, any allegations of precincts with 100% of vote going to one party. Florida was a mess. It needed to be resolved. While I am not thrilled with the resolution, at the point that it ended up, it was a good as any.... maybe a coin flip would have been better. I am one that is bitter about a stolen election... it is what it is.

Thankfully for all of us (the Union), the 2012 election was far more decisive. There is no rational argument for anything other than Obama ran away with it. In suggesting there was hanky-panky in Philly you have to overcome the argument that the outcome was completely consistent with the prevailing polls... and even, if we run with your over-active imagination, you gave 100% of those precincts to the other side (which, of course, is absurd), it would not have changed one thing in the ultimate verdict.
 
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No problem starting a war, the problem seemed to be in finishing the war. Same with Afghanistan.

The Americans didn't want to win, they wanted to be liked.

There's nothing like invading someone else's country to win friends.
 
so your saying both Bill Clinton and Hillary who both said he had the WMDS, were wrong?..and you think that El Beredai also was wrong?...

the worst tragedy since 9/11 was Obama...

That must explain why the country chose Obama to remain as President while dumbya needs to stay in hiding, even during elections, lest he embarrass his party even more :lol:
 
That must explain why the country chose Obama to remain as President while dumbya needs to stay in hiding, even during elections, lest he embarrass his party even more :lol:

If Obama was half the President GWB was we would already be in a solid recovery.. but I hate the break it to you but Obama hates you and the USA.... you got played...
 
I certainly remember the election of 2000. I do not, remember, however, any allegations of precincts with 100% of vote going to one party. Florida was a mess. It needed to be resolved. While I am not thrilled with the resolution, at the point that it ended up, it was a good as any.... maybe a coin flip would have been better. I am one that is bitter about a stolen election... it is what it is.

Thankfully for all of us (the Union), the 2012 election was far more decisive. There is no rational argument for anything other than Obama ran away with it. In suggesting there was hanky-panky in Philly you have to overcome the argument that the outcome was completely consistent with the prevailing polls... and even, if we run with your over-active imagination, you gave 100% of those precincts to the other side (which, of course, is absurd), it would not have changed one thing in the ultimate verdict.


Do you remember how Clinton failed us after the first WTC bombing? I do....
 
Basic logic is that Bill Clinton was a failure and passed on getting UBL after the first attack on the WTC and prosecuted that attack as criminal.. much like the criminal that any Clinton is...

Thank God that GWB started the HSA that that scum Obama now has to make himself look good about as Obama voted against it..

clintoon, dumbya, and obamba are all idiots, but dumbya was clearly the worst of the bunch, since his policies caused the most debt.
 
If Obama was half the President GWB was we would already be in a solid recovery.. but I hate the break it to you but Obama hates you and the USA.... you got played...

We are now in the fourth term of the Bush/Obama presidency.
 
We are now in the fourth term of the Bush/Obama presidency.

yea sure... If Obama was only half as good as GWB...Obama is a muslim, kenyan socialist..who despises the USA..

Thats not who GWB is...
 
clintoon, dumbya, and obamba are all idiots, but dumbya was clearly the worst of the bunch, since his policies caused the most debt.

You ever try using facts?...
 
Maddow..= Fail...

dumbya's fail is not limited to just Maddow. . .

It is no mystery why the Republican Party moved to cut him out of the picture upon his helicopter escape in January 2009—subterranean approval ratings, an economy in ruins, and two wars gone badly wrong.

The GOP
 
yea sure... If Obama was only half as good as GWB...Obama is a muslim, kenyan socialist..who despises the USA..

Thats not who GWB is...

So, just what monumental changes do you think that "Muslim Kenyan Socialist" has made to the Bush policies?

and are you seriously supporting the absurd "birther" notion that Obama wasn't born in the USA?

not that I'm an Obama supporter, you understand, but then, I was no Bush supporter either. To me, it looks like they're a lot the same.
 
To be fair, the invasion and occupation of Iraq involved a much greater loss of life, and that happened since 9/11

But "the worst tragedy since the Iraq War, which I supported" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

The Bush administration did everything to protect Americans in Iraq, the Obama/Hillary duo did nothing to protect the lives of the Ambassador and three other Americans in Benghazi. They left them them alone to die. That was never the case in Iraq. Americans always helped each other.
 
With voter ID, they could mean anything. Voter ID = Magazine size restrictions. Won't stop anything.

Why won't they stop anything? If the ID is secure, as it should be, it would certainly make fraud more difficult.
 
Why won't they stop anything? If the ID is secure, as it should be, it would certainly make fraud more difficult.

Like most gun control, it only restricts people who obey the law. If you are really intent on electoral fraud, you will get fake ID or find other ways around the system and other ways to commit fraud. For example, this one:

Voter Fraud Confirmed; State Takes Over East Longmeadow Election - Western Massachusetts Breaking News and First Warning Weather with WGGB.com ABC 40

Or the countless times when a candidate or his party get absentee ballots to deliver to the nursing home. Where they are so helpful in filling out the ballots "correctly." The only people who will be affected will be law abiding voters.
 
Barack Obama's base consists of people living in every ghetto, project, ward and barrio in America.......

You know, the more educated and enlightened folks in their party............

Yes, I've seen the OWS crowd also.

But this, along with high unemployment, unsustainable social programs, and record levels of debt, seems to be the direction the American electorate wants to take. An uneducated population is one of the great threats to democracy, and the Democrats have done a great job of promoting and sustaining their constituency.
 
Like most gun control, it only restricts people who obey the law.

But of course we are not talking gun control here. I picture ID with a chip should eliminate any problems.

If you are really intent on electoral fraud, you will get fake ID or find other ways around the system and other ways to commit fraud. For example, this one:

Voter Fraud Confirmed; State Takes Over East Longmeadow Election - Western Massachusetts Breaking News and First Warning Weather with WGGB.com ABC 40

That is clear evidence against those who try to claim there is no serious voter fraud going on. An individual photo ID with a chip as in a credit card, for every American citizen, seems to be the only way to guarantee, as much as possible, that voter rights are protected. If the people cannot respect the process then democracy itself is put at threat.

Or the countless times when a candidate or his party get absentee ballots to deliver to the nursing home. Where they are so helpful in filling out the ballots "correctly." The only people who will be affected will be law abiding voters.

Are you saying that there should not be voter ID because of Nursing Homes? I'm not sure of your point here.
 
Are you saying that there should not be voter ID because of Nursing Homes? I'm not sure of your point here.

The point is that if a person or group of people really wants to commit electoral fraud, they will. Require voter ID, and they'll do it in some other way.

An individual photo ID with a chip as in a credit card, for every American citizen

That sounds like something from the USSR. "Everybody must have ID with them at all times. Your papers please..."
 
The point is that if a person or group of people really wants to commit electoral fraud, they will. Require voter ID, and they'll do it in some other way.

Perhaps, but that is true of all laws. That does not mean we should not do our best to prevent crime from occurring.

That sounds like something from the USSR. "Everybody must have ID with them at all times. Your papers please..."

No, it is not something like the USSR. It is ID to vote, just as you have ID for the bank, for driving, for credit cards, job applications, and so on down the line.
 
No, it is not something like the USSR. It is ID to vote, just as you have ID for the bank, for driving, for credit cards, job applications, and so on down the line.

All of those things are Drivers License. What you're talking about is a national ID with a microchip in it. Why don't we all line up and get a microchip implanted? That way the government can track our every move.
 
The point is that if a person or group of people really wants to commit electoral fraud, they will. Require voter ID, and they'll do it in some other way.

That's a nonsensical position which justifies the elimination of every law. After all, if a person really wants to murder, they will.

The perfect is not the enemy of the good.
 
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