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    re: Rand Paul tells Christie to stop his temper tantrums and grandstanding [W:53]

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    But to Democrats higher prices are a good thing.
    Yeah, and having water for our children. Conservatives of course don't give a damn, so long as they have big water wasting toilets.

    I hope you guys run on the big water wasting toilet platform. It's sooooo symbolic of modern conservatism.

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    re: Rand Paul tells Christie to stop his temper tantrums and grandstanding [W:53]

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    Rand Paul has come out criticizing Chris Christie for throwing temper tantrums and grandstanding.

    Rand Paul to Chris Christie: Cool it With the Temper Tantrums & Grandstanding, Alright? | TheBlaze.com
    I am not a Chris Christe fan, that said he is a pretty smart cookie, he is smart enough to know that the voting public is watching and that the voting public is pretty unhappy with the grid lock going on in Washington. Whether he is a moderate or just realizes that if wants to be President he needs to at least appear to be a person who is more interested in the people then in pleasing his party. Having an endorsement from Paul Rand could be the kiss of death, Governor Christe has a huge approval rate in NJ some where in the 70% plus range so he is drawing a lot of support from the people in both parties that really matter "the voter"

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    re: Rand Paul tells Christie to stop his temper tantrums and grandstanding [W:53]

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    Re: Rand Paul tells Christie to stop his temper tantrums and grandstanding [W:53]

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    Chris Christie is yours for the taking. Congrats!
    Except that he is not a democrat, so why would he want to join, and why would we want him to join?
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    Re: Rand Paul tells Christie to stop his temper tantrums and grandstanding [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Might I ask what type of toilet you and Rand Paul want to buy that's either so expensive or extremely difficult for you to purchase on the open market? I mean, are you guys trying to install some Frech-style bidet or something that's only available in Europe? If so, perhaps you may want to contact an import company that carries your desired product. But if you do, wouldn't that still be available from "the free market system"? (See how absordly some people try to convulute the issues un-necessarily?)
    The sort where the bowl is actually made for men with dangly bits. Where we're not fishing for alligators every time we sit down. The old style where ONE flush does it.

    Here's a good essay on the water usage difference:

    Is your seat down? Good. Let's sit and think. In the old days residential-use toilets in the U.S. were designed to unleash anywhere from 3.5 to 7 gallons per flush (GPF); the low-flow movement took off in 1994, when a federal statute kicked in requiring that new units employ no more than 1.6 GPF. How often do people use their toilets? Here we face the thrilling diversity of human experience: some pee four times a day, some ten, while anything upward of three bowel movements a week is considered normal. The bottom line is that for practically everyone the daily ratio of (shall we say) liquid-only events (LOEs) to solid events (SEs) is greater than 1:1, and for some may be 6:1 or more. For argument's sake let's say a typical day on the toilet involves five LOEs and one SE. Using a 3.5 GPF unit that consistently gets the job done in a single flush, that's six events, six flushes, for a total of 21 gallons. But the puniest low-flow model should have little problem handling the LOEs, so even if five flushes were required to bring the SE to a satisfactory conclusion, the ten flushes would use only 16 gallons. In this scenario, as long as you're flushing fewer than eight times per SE, the low-flow toilet is saving water.

    Obviously, hanging around repeatedly flushing a toilet is practically no one's idea of a good time (cats on YouTube notwithstanding), but there's evidence to indicate that the typical low-flow user's experience hasn't been quite so grueling. It's true that some of the first low-flows were pretty dodgy — often manufacturers just stuck a new valve or dam mechanism in an existing model rather than revamping the bowl and other elements to work with the reduced flush volume. While the resulting units did conserve water, satisfaction with them was mixed, and anecdotally at least they acquired a bad rap. In 2000 University of Arizona researchers conducted a study measuring water use in 170 Tucson households where low-flow toilets had been installed seven years earlier. Among their findings: (1) more than half the homes had no detectable toilet trouble; (2) about 11 percent of the low-flows got double-flushed at least once a day, somewhat but not much more than the rate seen for higher-volume models; (3) low-flows were seemingly more prone to developing flapper leaks; and (4) in over a quarter of the homes at least one of the low-flows was using significantly more than the 1.6 GPF it was meant to, whether because of malfunction or tampering.

    Btw, the low flow toilets are a federal statutory requirement.

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    Re: Rand Paul tells Christie to stop his temper tantrums and grandstanding [W:53]

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    The sort where the bowl is actually made for men with dangly bits. Where we're not fishing for alligators every time we sit down. The old style where ONE flush does it.

    Here's a good essay on the water usage difference:




    Btw, the low flow toilets are a federal statutory requirement.
    What that article said is that low flow toilets work over 50% of the time. Not very impressive.

    Yet this is another problem with everything being federalized. If there is a problem anywhere in the USA, the federal government regulates and punishes everyone in the whole country for it. There are water issues in the West, but not in most of the country. Unlike a poster above seems to believe, water really doesn't vanish forever after being flushed down a toilet.

    We could open every faucet, turn on every pump and have the toilets all run continuously and it would not affect the amount of water for anyone by 1 drop.
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    Re: Rand Paul tells Christie to stop his temper tantrums and grandstanding [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Yeah, and having water for our children. Conservatives of course don't give a damn, so long as they have big water wasting toilets.

    I hope you guys run on the big water wasting toilet platform. It's sooooo symbolic of modern conservatism.
    Actually the new GPF toilet can save a lot of money while reducing waste, I know because I had over 75 them installed in the plant where I worked. Maybe Paul has other problems a plugged vent or build up in the drain piping

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    Re: Rand Paul tells Christie to stop his temper tantrums and grandstanding [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Actually the new GPF toilet can save a lot of money while reducing waste, I know because I had over 75 them installed in the plant where I worked. Maybe Paul has other problems a plugged vent or build up in the drain piping
    Use at work is different than home use, not to mention that, if I worked at a place with the little low flow toilets I'd save my real business for home. Of course my work then would see a savings. May be that before the installation the employees were in a reverse situation, low flow at home and the good ones at works - so they might have been doing there business at work, until you installed the new ones that is. Once the new ones went in, there was no reason not to just do it at home.

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    Re: Rand Paul tells Christie to stop his temper tantrums and grandstanding [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What that article said is that low flow toilets work over 50% of the time. Not very impressive.

    Yet this is another problem with everything being federalized. If there is a problem anywhere in the USA, the federal government regulates and punishes everyone in the whole country for it. There are water issues in the West, but not in most of the country. Unlike a poster above seems to believe, water really doesn't vanish forever after being flushed down a toilet.

    We could open every faucet, turn on every pump and have the toilets all run continuously and it would not affect the amount of water for anyone by 1 drop.
    Maybe you read the article differently then I did? Here is an excerpt from you article

    Is your seat down? Good. Let's sit and think. In the old days residential-use toilets in the U.S. were designed to unleash anywhere from 3.5 to 7 gallons per flush (GPF); the low-flow movement took off in 1994, when a federal statute kicked in requiring that new units employ no more than 1.6 GPF. How often do people use their toilets? Here we face the thrilling diversity of human experience: some pee four times a day, some ten, while anything upward of three bowel movements a week is considered normal. The bottom line is that for practically everyone the daily ratio of (shall we say) liquid-only events (LOEs) to solid events (SEs) is greater than 1:1, and for some may be 6:1 or more. For argument's sake let's say a typical day on the toilet involves five LOEs and one SE. Using a 3.5 GPF unit that consistently gets the job done in a single flush, that's six events, six flushes, for a total of 21 gallons. But the puniest low-flow model should have little problem handling the LOEs, so even if five flushes were required to bring the SE to a satisfactory conclusion, the ten flushes would use only 16 gallons. In this scenario, as long as you're flushing fewer than eight times per SE, the low-flow toilet is saving water.

    Obviously, hanging around repeatedly flushing a toilet is practically no one's idea of a good time (cats on YouTube notwithstanding), but there's evidence to indicate that the typical low-flow user's experience hasn't been quite so grueling. It's true that some of the first low-flows were pretty dodgy — often manufacturers just stuck a new valve or dam mechanism in an existing model rather than revamping the bowl and other elements to work with the reduced flush volume. While the resulting units did conserve water, satisfaction with them was mixed, and anecdotally at least they acquired a bad rap. In 2000 University of Arizona researchers conducted a study measuring water use in 170 Tucson households where low-flow toilets had been installed seven years earlier. Among their findings: (1) more than half the homes had no detectable toilet trouble; (2) about 11 percent of the low-flows got double-flushed at least once a day, somewhat but not much more than the rate seen for higher-volume models; (3) low-flows were seemingly more prone to developing flapper leaks; and (4) in over a quarter of the homes at least one of the low-flows was using significantly more than the 1.6 GPF it was meant to, whether because of malfunction or tampering.
    Was this article the same one you read?

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    Re: Rand Paul tells Christie to stop his temper tantrums and grandstanding [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Maybe you read the article differently then I did? Here is an excerpt from you article



    Was this article the same one you read?
    "Among their findings: (1) more than half the homes had no detectable toilet trouble."

    More than half means less than 50% of homes had toilet trouble. So that could mean the 48% did. Since it is a pro-low flow study conclusion, if the survey was that only 1% of homes had a problem they would have reported it that way. It doesn't even say less than 1/4. Just more than half. Half is 50%.

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