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    Re: Rand Paul tells Christie to stop his temper tantrums and grandstanding [W:53]

    I cannot be the only person here laughing at the toilet debate.

    It is a water regulation issue, but let me move away from that because I think all arguments have been duly noted and there won't be any change of opinion.

    People like to lump Rand in with his father, but he is more into the Republican party than his father ever was. Though both Paul's claim to be Libertarian minded...Ron was about 80% Libertarian while Rand seems to be more 50/50.

    Ron Paul supporters are going to throw their supports towards Rand because of his last name. If you look at his voting record, and what he has said...it sounds more like a Republican than a Libertarian.

    Though I disagree a lot with Chris Christie; I've grown to respect his up front attitude with people. I respect anyone who can stand in front of a crowd and say what they mean with passion and no fear. That is exactly what Christie has done throughout his political career. My opinion of his agenda aside...I respect that from him.

    I think Rand Paul is correct on certain issues like the eliminating the TSA, Repealing the Patriot Act, Cut Defense Spending....but incorrect on others...Abortion, Same-Sex Marriage, Homosexuals in the military.
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    Re: Rand Paul tells Christie to stop his temper tantrums and grandstanding [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    If name calling is all you have, then there is not much for the two of us to discuss. If you have a 'wacky' position Rand has taken, lay it out there. If you dont, then it might be time to quit the name calling. It is a poor substitute for debate.

    As to abortion and liberty and Rand, Rand supported abortion, so maybe you might want to reconsider your attacks, or educate yourself on what people believe before you attack them. But abortion is not a clear cut issue for a lot of people, myself included. Those who believe that life begins at conception--a logical argument--then one is not at liberty to terminate that life. But that does not show an inconsistency in libertarian thought that you pretend it does.
    Keep teling yourself that - and continue to make up definitions that suit your inconsistancies.
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    Re: Rand Paul tells Christie to stop his temper tantrums and grandstanding [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    This is where Christie's critics lose perspective. Christie did not give President Obama a blanket endorsement for his performance as President. His reference concerned the narrow area of how the President was handling the Sandy disaster. In the context of the Katrina debacle and the President's own performance during the Gulf oil leak, Obama's performance was exemplary. Governor Christie put his consituents ahead of electoral considerations. It is not unreasonable that he put providing for the needs of his State's residents ahead of campaign appearances.

    In terms of his criticism of Speaker Boehner and the House, one should have expected exactly that kind of reaction when the Speaker decided to pull the delayed relief bill without giving any notice whatsoever to the Governors of the impacted States. At the very minimum, the Speaker should have informed the governors why he decided to pull the bill and what his envisioned path forward was. He did none of that. That leadership failure belongs to the Speaker, not Governor Christie. Indeed, had Governors Christie and Cuomo, not to mention Congressmen from disaster-stricken areas e.g., Peter King, not made it a national issue, the House might well have continued to delay the funding.

    Many of those in the House who opposed the funding never paid a visit to the storm-affected areas. They see damage figures, but have little idea about the damage that was inflicted. Moreover, they have little understanding that the Jersey Shore is economically important to the State, not to mention the hardship displaced residents have experienced.
    You actually think Obama handled the Gulf oil spill in an "exemplary" manner????

    What, exactly, had Obama done that was "exemplary" about the hurricane damage at the moment Christy said that Obama is "doing an excellent job" - other than walking down a street with Christie (and then flying away to Las Vegas) ?

    Did the president send in the national guard? No.
    Did the president send in the Corp of Engineers for power and cleanup? No.
    What did Obama do that was "exemplary" or "excellent?"

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    Re: Rand Paul tells Christie to stop his temper tantrums and grandstanding [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Keep teling yourself that - and continue to make up definitions that suit your inconsistancies.
    What is the inconsistency? And what definition have I made up?

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    Re: Rand Paul tells Christie to stop his temper tantrums and grandstanding [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You actually think Obama handled the Gulf oil spill in an "exemplary" manner????

    What, exactly, had Obama done that was "exemplary" about the hurricane damage at the moment Christy said that Obama is "doing an excellent job" - other than walking down a street with Christie (and then flying away to Las Vegas) ?

    Did the president send in the national guard? No.
    Did the president send in the Corp of Engineers for power and cleanup? No.
    What did Obama do that was "exemplary" or "excellent?"
    He hugged people, promised them the moon and pretended he cared.

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    Re: Rand Paul tells Christie to stop his temper tantrums and grandstanding [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You actually think Obama handled the Gulf oil spill in an "exemplary" manner????

    What, exactly, had Obama done that was "exemplary" about the hurricane damage at the moment Christy said that Obama is "doing an excellent job" - other than walking down a street with Christie (and then flying away to Las Vegas) ?

    Did the president send in the national guard? No.
    Did the president send in the Corp of Engineers for power and cleanup? No.
    What did Obama do that was "exemplary" or "excellent?"

    You're correct that Obama did not do an "exemplary" job with the Gulf oil spill but as President he did a far better job than his successor's response to Katrina

    Your other points are flat out wrong

    Guard troops save lives in Hurricane Sandy recovery | Article | The United States Army

    ARLINGTON, Va. (Nov. 1, 2012) -- Since Hurricane Sandy made landfall Monday, more than 9,100 National Guard troops across 12 states have been assisting local authorities with missions such as search and rescue operations, food and water distribution, debris removal and providing security and shelter for storm victims.

    On Thursday, more West Virginia National Guard members were activated to help clean up snow dumped by the monster storm system.

    Also Thursday, the first of 17 Air Force cargo planes hauling 69 repair vehicles and gear from Southern California Edison utility company for use in New Jersey and New York will arrive at Stewart Air National Guard Base in Newburgh, N.Y. That cargo will be used to reconstruct the battered electrical grid in those hard-hit areas.

    "It's fair to say that the state police and NYPD and the National Guard saved hundreds of lives (Tuesday)," said New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

    In New York, "bucket brigades" of Guard members climbed up 11 stories of hospital stairways to ferry fuel to rooftop generators; others carried patients down those same flights.
    USACE Response to Hurricane Sandy

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    November 03, 2012 - Army engineers speeds New York City recovery with dewatering mission
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    October 28, 2012 - Army engineers ready to respond to Hurricane Sandy impacts
    October 28, 2012 - Corps of Engineers team in New England prepares for impacts, storm surge from Hurricane Sandy
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    Re: Rand Paul tells Christie to stop his temper tantrums and grandstanding [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You're correct that Obama did not do an "exemplary" job with the Gulf oil spill but as President he did a far better job than his successor's response to Katrina
    *Cough* Hurricane Sandy *Cough*

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    Re: Rand Paul tells Christie to stop his temper tantrums and grandstanding [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    *Cough* Hurricane Sandy *Cough*
    I hope you are seeing a doctor about that cough.

    After the cough is taken care of you might wish to look at news archives and read some of the articles about Republican Congress critters doing every thing possible to obstruct federal efforts to help the areas affected by Sandy.
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    Re: Rand Paul tells Christie to stop his temper tantrums and grandstanding [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I hope you are seeing a doctor about that cough.

    After the cough is taken care of you might wish to look at news archives and read some of the articles about Republican Congress critters doing every thing possible to obstruct federal efforts to help the areas affected by Sandy.
    /yawn it's like swatting flies with you

    Obama Sandy aid bill filled with holiday goodies unrelated to storm damage - NYPOST.com

    WASHINGTON — President Obama’s $60.4 billion request for Hurricane Sandy relief has morphed into a huge Christmas stocking of goodies for federal agencies and even the state of Alaska, The Post has learned.

    The pork-barrel feast includes more than $8 million to buy cars and equipment for the Homeland Security and Justice departments. It also includes a whopping $150 million for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to dole out to fisheries in Alaska and $2 million for the Smithsonian Institution to repair museum roofs in DC.
    It's classic Democrat Political Theatre. Stuff a "Relief Bill" filled with pork and handouts to their political cronies with taxpayer money, and anyone who objects is trying to make minorities starve or something. You lap it up.

    Hurricane Sandy Victim Donna Vanzant Says Obama Broke Promise | The Philly Post

    It had nothing to do with what I was asking him. It was a form letter. It thanked me for supporting the troops. He made a promise to rebuild on national television, and I can’t even get this money. It’s heartbreaking, really. I did reach out to Senator Whelan, and I got a response that they were forwarding my email to the person that Governor Christie put in charge of Sandy relief. But from President Obama, I got a form letter.
    Once her political capital as a propaganda prop had been used up, under the bus she went.

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    Re: Rand Paul tells Christie to stop his temper tantrums and grandstanding [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    /yawn it's like swatting flies with you

    Obama Sandy aid bill filled with holiday goodies unrelated to storm damage - NYPOST.com

    It's classic Democrat Political Theatre. Stuff a "Relief Bill" filled with pork and handouts to their political cronies with taxpayer money, and anyone who objects is trying to make minorities starve or something. You lap it up.

    Hurricane Sandy Victim Donna Vanzant Says Obama Broke Promise | The Philly Post


    Once her political capital as a propaganda prop had been used up, under the bus she went.
    Which party tried to hold up Hurricane Sandy relief spending? Come on, you can say it!

    Even a partisan like Chris Christie had to admit that the tea party occupation forces are toxic slime.

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