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    Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    According to a background briefer provided by the White House, President Barack Obama is asking doctors to help deal with guns. Here's the relevant passage:

    PRESERVE THE RIGHTS OF HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS TO PROTECT THEIR PATIENTS AND COMMUNITIES FROM GUN VIOLENCE: We should never ask doctors and other health care providers to turn a blind eye to the risks posed by guns in the wrong hands.


    Clarify that no federal law prevents health care providers from warning law enforcement authorities about threats of violence: Doctors and other mental health professionals play an important role in protecting the safety of their patients and the broader community by reporting direct and credible threats of violence to the authorities. But there is public confusion about whether federal law prohibits such reports about threats of violence. The Department of Health and Human Services is issuing a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits these reports in any way.


    Protect the rights of health care providers to talk to their patients about gun safety: Doctors and other health care providers also need to be able to ask about firearms in their patientsí homes and safe storage of those firearms, especially if their patients show signs of certain mental illnesses or if they have a young child or mentally ill family member at home. Some have incorrectly claimed that language in the Affordable Care Act prohibits doctors from asking their patients about guns and gun safety. Medical groups also continue to fight against state laws attempting to ban doctors from asking these questions. The Administration will issue guidance clarifying that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit or otherwise regulate communication between doctors and patients, including about firearms.

    Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard
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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    MD's are now law enforcement.

    I can't wait until our medical records are public... of course... for the good of the nation.
    So you think that a doctor who is treating a mentally unstable patient shouldn't ask the question "do you have guns in your home?"?

    Do you think that if a mentally unstable person tells their doctor that they have recurring thoughts of going to shoot up a school with their rifle, that they doctor shouldn't be allowed to warn authorities?
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    only idiots want 100% patient privacy.

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    Ha! Obama's alternate universe.

    The doctors that I've picked out just by random chance, all seem to be armed to the teeth. And they have the money to buy the most expensive guns available.

    Have to wonder if Obama actually think Doctors like and respect him.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    The problem with allowing these sorts of questions isn't so much about Adults as it is about Children. If my doctor asks me that question he's going to get one answer "**** You!!!" and I'll be out of there just as quick as I can get my clothes back on. HOWEVER, since my understanding is that these pediatricians have a part of their exams these days where they ask the parent to step out of the room and ask the child several questions, this could be a problem. In fact it was for a friend of mine and fellow shooter....

    Their pediatrician asked his 11 year old daughter that question during one of these exams. She answered honestly. When he returned to the room, the doctor proceeded to start trying to pawn off a bunch of pamphlets on the dangers of gun ownership. Suffice it to say that no members of his family see anyone from that doctor's office anymore and that he was apparently quite vocal about it on their way out the door.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Ha! Obama's alternate universe.

    The doctors that I've picked out just by random chance, all seem to be armed to the teeth. And they have the money to buy the most expensive guns available.

    Have to wonder if Obama actually think Doctors like and respect him.
    And I bet all of those doctors, if they were treating a mentally unstable patient, such as Adam Lanza, would appreciate the opportunity to ask about gun ownership, and to possibly warn police of signs that the patient is planning to use those guns on innocent victims, don't ya think?
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    And I bet all of those doctors, if they were treating a mentally unstable patient, such as Adam Lanza, would appreciate the opportunity to ask about gun ownership, and to possibly warn police of signs that the patient is planning to use those guns on innocent victims, don't ya think?
    An incredibly naive viewpoint. The business of medical doctors is practicing medicine and making money, not interrogating patients regarding their personal property and then ratting them out to the government. NOBODY would go to a doctor who tried that.

    Review Terrasova v Board of Regents in California and you will see that law already exists for psychiatric providers IF the patient has indicated an intention to harm someone else, but not based on his possessions, which are none of the government's business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    An incredibly naive viewpoint.
    Of course, why on earth would a doctor care if their mentally unstable patient had guns at home, lol.

    Yes it's their personal property. That doesn't mean it can't be asked about. Don't you think a doctor would ask about your house if you came in with lead poisoning and he though that old lead paint could be the culprit? ****, last time I was at the doctor for an ingrown nail he made sure to ask me about my shoes, which are my personal property.

    It's called a society. If you don't like living in one, move to the woods and rub aloe vera on you when you're sick or hurt. But don't make the rest of us live in a backwards ass country just because can't understand why mentally unstable people having guns could be an important issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Just pointing out that Drs have never been prohibited from asking about a patient's firearms. It's the status quo, not a change.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    MD's are now law enforcement.

    I can't wait until our medical records are public... of course... for the good of the nation.

    If you'd like a discussion on gun control, please try to find a site that isn't such a right wing pundit rag.
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