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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    much sense for doctors to ask if the patient is gay and actively engage in sexual activity or if they are heterosexual and practicing safe sex at all times.
    Am not sure why you include these two considering that they are both valid medical questions.
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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    That is not what this is about. Or is Goshin mentally unstable?
    This is Obama and his Socialists Little Gun Gestapo.
    No, he's not. I'm just saying that there are some patients that need to be asked this question, and Obama has not mandated the doctors do anything. He is just pointing out that his bill does not stop them from asking, because the NRA has spread misinformation saying that it did. You blaming this on Obama is just your paranoia showing.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by L0neW0lf View Post
    Am not sure why you include these two considering that they are both valid medical questions.
    We should ask ALL questions AND make that information publicly available so people can make wise, safe, and healthy choices. You can Im saure see the benefit in having a public database for all individuals. If you decide to date a person you can pull that persons medical history and make sure they arent engaging in practices that might put people at risk.

    And while we are at it...ban donut shops. Because...I mean...come on...fried fatty foods and sugar? And also ask the kids if their parents give them sugared cereals...because that stuff has to go. What kind of caring parent would poison their kids.

    We have to make a few sacrifices of personal privacy. After all...its for the children...

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Well I doubt in the 3 minutes the doctor spends with you he is going to ask you about your guns related to your sinus infection. I support the mental illness aspects of reform. It clarifies apparently that a doctor can report people who present a potential danger to others and knowing whether or not they have a gun might be part of that. Doctors are not going to snitch on everybody because they know they could get sued and doctors, in general, are risk adverse which is part of the reason they order 50 million tests to CYA.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    They have a duty to report people that are 'unstable' and could cause harm to themselves and/or others. That's it. Doesn't matter if they have crossbows at home or anything.

    Healthcare is HEALTHcare, physical and mental. It has nothing to do with doctors asking about weapons at the persons home. And no emotional rant from the left can change that reality.
    I agree, they should report if the person is unstable and could harm someone. We completely agree. BUT, if the person is unstable, or even just going through serious depression, it's not crazy for the doctor to ask, do you have guns, are they locked up properly, if yuo feel the urge to use them on yourself please get a loved one to hold on to them for you etc.

    It's ****ing healthcare. You guys are just making a huge problem where none exists.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I agree, they should report if the person is unstable and could harm someone. We completely agree. BUT, if the person is unstable, or even just going through serious depression, it's not crazy for the doctor to ask, do you have guns, are they locked up properly, if yuo feel the urge to use them on yourself please get a loved one to hold on to them for you etc.

    It's ****ing healthcare. You guys are just making a huge problem where none exists.
    Yes, it is crazy for a doctor to ask that. Why? Do they ask if you have a baseball bat? If you have a crowbar? Knives? Nope. But all those are just as dangerous, and are (based on FBI stats) more likely to be used to hurt someone else.

    The only people making a 'problem' where none exists are those that keep suggesting that 'assault weapons' need to be banned when they are used in less than 2% of violent criminal acts, those that for some reason call murder by car or knife or bat murder, but consider a gun used for murder as 'gun violence' rather than just murder.
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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Yes, it is crazy for a doctor to ask that.
    No it's not. Only someone who is being illogical would worry about a person asking "do you own a gun?"
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    No it's not. Only someone who is being illogical would worry about a person asking "do you own a gun?"
    Ah, ignore logic and reason and continue on with the talking points. As expected...
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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    No it's not. Only someone who is being illogical would worry about a person asking "do you own a gun?"
    Do you text while driving and if so then you surely dont mind your doctor turning you in to the police for creating a public safety hazard. Do you eat fast food while driving? Same deal. Do you have children? Do you give them sugared cereals? Do you give them sandwiches with processed lunch meat, pre-wrapped cheese, mayonnaise on white bread? Do you let them drink juice or sodas? Do you ensure they receive only healthy foods and make sure they get exercise daily? Any cleaning chemicals left in an unlocked container where they might gain access? If not...should the doctor report you to DCFS (and dont worry...YOU dont have to answer those questions...the doctor can just ask the kids and act based on what responses they get from them).

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Ah, ignore logic and reason and continue on with the talking points. As expected...
    You'd have to present some logic and reason in order for me to ignore it. A baseball bat isn't as dangerous as a gun. For starters I've never heard of anyone committing suicide with a bat. Most gun deaths (something like 65% are suicides). I think that makes it a reasonable question to ask to a person you fear may harm themselves. Sure there are other ways they could go about it, but that gun makes it alot easier and is a much more efficient way to do so, which is the whole point that you fail to grasp.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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